Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 16:12 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Fedora Core Fedora 8 Release Candidate 3 has been released. "Fedora 8 Release Candidate 3 has been released on the torrent site. Both DVD and Live images have been provided. Unless something goes terribly wrong, these will be the same bits (modulo gpg signed SHA1SUM files) that will go to the mirrors for the final Fedora 8 release." Update: There is an interview up about CodecBuddy's inclusion in Fedora 8 with the two developers behind this feature.
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RE: Good
by siki_miki on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 16:38 UTC in reply to "Good"
siki_miki
Member since:
2006-01-17

Out of box ubuntu in fact won't be killing your laptop. Culprit is the laptop mode, a "feature" that had to be enabled by manually changing configuration files, that slowly kills laptop hard drives.

Fortunately damage spreadout is way reduced because of this.

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RE[2]: Good
by J.R. on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 16:53 in reply to "RE: Good"
J.R. Member since:
2007-07-25

Not what I meant. I was talking about when I close my lid and my machine crashes and only can be revived back to life by killing the power.

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RE[3]: Good
by archiesteel on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 21:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Good"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Do you have an ATI chipset with fglrx enabled, by any chance? There is a bug with kernel 2.6.22 and the proprietary ATI driver that prevents suspend from working.

There are three things you can do:

1) Make it so that closing the lid *doesn't* suspend the laptop (System --> Preferences --> Power Manager or something like that, my Ubuntu's in French...); pick another option, like turning off the screen or powering down the computer.

2) Not use the proprietary ATI driver. Of course, this means you won't be able to use desktop effects and 3D apps.

3) Install kernel 2.6.20 and use that one instead (that's what I did). You do need to tweak /etc/default/acpi-support a bit, though, i.e. make sure the following options are set:

SAVE_VBE_STATE=false
POST_VIDEO=true
USE_DPMS=false

Good luck!

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RE[3]: Good
by RockT on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 17:08 in reply to "RE: Good"
RockT Member since:
2006-06-01

You do not have to enable anything. Ubuntu kills your laptop hd slowly out of the box.

K, sorry but I'm pissed by this behaviour and there is no official fix available.

Edited 2007-11-02 17:09

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RE[4]: Good
by spikeb on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 20:59 in reply to "RE[3]: Good"
spikeb Member since:
2006-01-18

yes there is.

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RE[4]: Good
by archiesteel on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 22:00 in reply to "RE[3]: Good"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Ubuntu kills your laptop hd slowly out of the box.


Really? Any source for this?

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RE[4]: Good
by butters on Fri 2nd Nov 2007 22:03 in reply to "RE[3]: Good"
butters Member since:
2005-07-08

Well, no. Your laptop vendor slowly kills your hard disk out of the box, and Ubuntu doesn't do anything to stop it. This could very well be a problem on other distributions as well. Windows basically ignores the firmware and sets its own defaults, so the hardware vendors haven't had any incentive to make their defaults reasonable. It's possible that some Linux distros handle this issue better than Ubuntu, but it's not an Ubuntu-specific issue. Any distro that trusts the hardware power management defaults will have the same problem.

I expect Ubuntu and other distros to ship workarounds for this problem, but they should also start bitching and moaning at the OEMs, like their new pal, Dell. It really is their fault, although for practical reasons it's easier for the OS distributors to address the problem for laptops that are already out in the field.

There are a bunch of workarounds. I used this one:

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695/comment...

Computers suck. FOSS can make dealing with them a lot more pleasant, but the community cannot ignore whatever they can't fix properly. All developers, especially systems programmers, at some point reach a catharsis about the futility of perfectionism and cease to be surprised or outraged by the inherent suck that surrounds their work. I recommend a good scotch.

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