Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 8th Sep 2005 16:53 UTC
Gnome The Gnome Project released version 2.12 yesterday. We had a quick look at it by using the latest Gnome Live CD (1.12-pre) and Foresight 0.9.0 (2.12 final) and here are our thoughts over 2.12 and Gnome's status in general.
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RE: Menu editor...
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 8th Sep 2005 17:33 UTC in reply to "Menu editor..."
Thom_Holwerda
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2005-06-29

SMEG works, why couldn't they just use that if no one wanted to take the time to do it themselves?

As a GNOME user, I agree with you for the full 100%. Why they simply didn't implement SMEG, a menu editor that works fine, is extremely easy to use, is completely *beyond me*. I've been thinking about reasons *not* to integrate SMEG-- and I can't think of anything else but...

...an ego problem. Seriously.

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RE[2]: Menu editor...
by on Thu 8th Sep 2005 17:37 in reply to "RE: Menu editor..."
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SMEG can be the default editor. My Ubuntu Breezy installation uses it, so when you right click and do 'edit menus' it uses SMEG instead of whatever that other one is. But I'm not sure if it's because it's Ubuntu or because I already had SMEG before I upgraded.

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RE[2]: Menu editor...
by Daniel Borgmann on Thu 8th Sep 2005 18:22 in reply to "RE: Menu editor..."
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2005-07-08

...an ego problem. Seriously.

Nonsense. It has been the plan from the beginning to only offer the required amount of functionality. Adding items is not required, because you should never need it if applications are not broken. Even then you can easily add launchers to your panel, put them in a drawer if you are short on space. The fact that they don't appear in the menu is mostly a cosmetic issue.

If you need to fix broken applications and if you really want to make them appear in your menu, then it's not difficult at all to install a different menu editor.

You may very well disagree with this thinking and you may be right as much as you may be wrong, but talking about "ego problems" is really cheap and inappropriate. Seriously.

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RE[3]: Menu editor...
by Eugenia on Thu 8th Sep 2005 18:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Menu editor..."
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

>Adding items is not required

And WHO made the STUDY to really tell if it's required or not??? Can you please direct me to the outcome of the user study made by the Gnome Project? Obviously me, Thom and others need the feature. I agree that for Gnome and KDE applications it should be considered "a bug" if an app comes without a working menu item, but there are other GTK, plain Qt, older X11 apps that don't care about the freedesktop.org standard, and as a user, I MIGHT NEED this application to my everyday work. Therefore, I would want to add it to my gnome menu. Therefore, the current gnome menu editor is too little, and if I may say so, too late.

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RE[3]: Menu editor...
by Wrawrat on Thu 8th Sep 2005 20:26 in reply to "RE[2]: Menu editor..."
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2005-06-30

Nonsense. It has been the plan from the beginning to only offer the required amount of functionality. Adding items is not required, because you should never need it if applications are not broken.

Then what is the point of having such menu editor? I understand that the average user merely need to hide and move menu entries, but you should also think about the slightly above average user that might need these functionalities. At worst, he could enable an obscure entry in GConf.

Getting another menu editor is barely a solution. Having two programs that pratically do the same thing is bloat.

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RE[4]: Menu editor...
by on Sun 11th Sep 2005 19:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Menu editor..."
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If you need to fix broken applications and if you really want to make them appear in your menu...

Though I am a GNOME Zealot, I agree this sort of functionality would be appreciated...

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RE[2]: Menu editor...
by ma_d on Thu 8th Sep 2005 20:57 in reply to "RE: Menu editor..."
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2005-06-29

Because Gnome is a platform not a distribution. Complain to your distributor.

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