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Gnome "The GNOME Foundation has issued a statement in response to recent accusations that it has been supporting the acceptance of Microsoft's Office Open XML format as an ECMA standard at the expense of the Open Document Format, the open standard used by OpenOffice.org, KOffice and other free software office applications. However, whether the statement's attempt at logical rebuttal will do anything to reduce the emotions or altruism behind the criticisms is anybody's guess."
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by Hiev on Sun 25th Nov 2007 21:37 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
Hiev
Member since:
2005-09-27

DBUS is very heavily inspired by DCOP

Tha'ts what KDE developers say, but is not true, lets say they just say it to sleep well, but DCOP was a mess by it self that needed to be rewrited, hey, I wasn't me who says so, read the DCOP mailing list.

That's all that's at issue here: OOXML -> ODF to make sure we have a sustainable format.

Imposing a format over the user needs doesn't makes free software better than MS, simple as that. The developer task is put the funcitonality and let the user to deside what is better for him, anything you put for push your agenda in the users trougth just makes you the same or worse than MS.

Edited 2007-11-25 21:47

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by segedunum on Sun 25th Nov 2007 23:44 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Tha'ts what KDE developers say, but is not true, lets say they just say it to sleep well, but DCOP was a mess by it self that needed to be rewrited

DCOP was written because CORBA was a God-awful mess, and judging from the usage of Bonobo in Gnome, that was the right technical decision. DBUS is a direct descendant of that thinking.

Imposing a format over the user needs doesn't makes free software better than MS, simple as that.

Users don't care about formats. They open a file, it opens and they work with it.

anything you put for push your agenda in the users trougth just makes you the same or worse than MS.

All we want is a format that everyone can reasonably implement and use. I don't think that's unreasonable.

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by Hiev on Mon 26th Nov 2007 00:08 in reply to "RE[5]: ..."
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

DCOP was written because CORBA was a God-awful mess

Well, try to fix a mess with another mess like DCOP is ridiculos.

Users don't care about formats. They open a file, it opens and they work with it.

Not technically, but if they see that there documents are not suported in n suite just because some developer tryied to puch an agenda it is.

But you do know that.

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by aseigo on Tue 27th Nov 2007 11:37 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
aseigo Member since:
2005-07-06

> was a mess by it self that needed to be rewrited,

no, actually, it was serving kde users and developers just fine. when we switched to d-bus, we actually had to push for and implement a large number of improvements to the tool chain around d-bus and in d-bus itself to get even near where we were with DCOP. d-bus is the right way to go (i was one of the early advocates even) but it's not because it's more mature that DCOP was.

there are some nice new features that come with d-bus (i've personally enjoyed exploiting a few them =), but DCOP was still very solid.

and yes, d-bus built on the lessons from dcop. that's why it looks a lot more like dcop than, say, bonobo.

> hey, I wasn't me who says so, read the DCOP mailing
> list.

which dcop mailing list would this be? and which mails to it? or ... are you just writing what you think sounds good? ;)

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