Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 8th Sep 2005 16:53 UTC
Gnome The Gnome Project released version 2.12 yesterday. We had a quick look at it by using the latest Gnome Live CD (1.12-pre) and Foresight 0.9.0 (2.12 final) and here are our thoughts over 2.12 and Gnome's status in general.
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RE[4]: Menu editor...
by on Fri 9th Sep 2005 00:20 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Menu editor..."

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>>Adding items is not required

>And WHO made the STUDY to really tell if it's required or not???

Is a study really necessary? You seem to ignore certain points when you feel your position is being countered.
One point you completely blew by was, as stated in the post to which you wrote this reply, if the app isn't broken, the user wouldn't need to add menu items. In other words, if the app being installed includes a properly formated "app.desktop" file, as per FreeDesktop standards, the app would appear in the correct place in the menu. The user could then use GNOME's included menu editor to remove it if he/she so desired.
If, on the other hand, the app is broken(read:no "app.desktop" file), there are other ways to handle it aside from menu editing at the user level. Such as adding a launcher on the panel or desktop or actually writing the app.desktop file and dropping it in to the correct directory(generally /usr/share/applications).
IMO, handling menu editing at the user level is wrong. It should be handled at the system level with an option for the user remove items from their menus if they see fit. As it stands now, that's what we have. Provided, of course, that the app developers follow the standards laid out by FreeDesktop.

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RE[5]: Menu editor...
by on Fri 9th Sep 2005 01:08 in reply to "RE[4]: Menu editor..."
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IMO, handling menu editing at the user level is wrong. It should be handled at the system level with an option for the user remove items from their menus if they see fit.

Why in the world do you care if I can or can not add items to the menu? How does it hurt you for me to have that ability? It doesn't. So why are you arguing against it? If you don't think you should be allowed to easily (without editing text files) add apps to the menu, fine, don't do it. But why would you argue against others being able to?

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RE[6]: Menu editor...
by on Fri 9th Sep 2005 04:33 in reply to "RE[5]: Menu editor..."
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Why in the world do you care if I can or can not add items to the menu? How does it hurt you for me to have that ability? It doesn't. So why are you arguing against it?

Because it adds a button. Gnome is about removing preferences and ui elements. Simplify, simplify, simplify. Computers are complicated enough.

Applications should create .desktop-files. If it doesn't upstream, the distro developers should do it. Many distros are always happy if someone files a bug about missing desktop files.

And if you install something from source, you're knowledgeable enough to get smeg. Or, again, the distro developers can include it by default, as ubuntu does if I'm not mistaken.

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RE[5]: Menu editor...
by lpetrazickis on Sat 10th Sep 2005 00:41 in reply to "RE[4]: Menu editor..."
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2005-07-06

IANAGU, but what if the user removes a menu item by mistake? Is there any way to undo that?

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RE[6]: Menu editor...
by on Sat 10th Sep 2005 10:37 in reply to "RE[5]: Menu editor..."
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>IANAGU, but what if the user removes a menu item by mistake? Is there any way to undo that?

Yes. All apps that have a proper .desktop file appear in the editor. Next to the name of the app, there's a tick-box. Un-selecting the app in the editor only removes the entry from the users menu. It doesn't remove it from the editor and it doesn't remove the .desktop file.
If the user un-selects the app in the editor, intentionally or by mistake, and, later, wants to return it to his/her menu view, they need only to re-select it in the editor.

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