Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 7th Dec 2007 06:25 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
Qt Jambi ships as a single Java library, or JAR (Java Archive) file, plus a handful of tools, including an interface layout and design tool, and an Eclipse plug-in. Trolltech uses its vaunted Qt C++ library as the GUI engine and puts Java wrappers around it. This approach uses the JNI (Java Native Interface) to call the necessary functions from Java. More here.
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RE[6]: Unconvinced
by leos on Fri 7th Dec 2007 19:20 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Unconvinced"
leos
Member since:
2005-09-21

You only mentioned Linux vendors.


Yes, because the big unixes are not generally used as desktops. The three you mentioned actually still use CDE quite heavily. Basically there is not much need for a desktop, so the choice is not as important. HP also regularly sponsors hardware and conferences for KDE.

Sure. But they don't look or feel right, and don't integrate fully with the DE. And part of creating a commercial GUI application involves polishing it very well when it comes to GUI and desktop integration.


Not really. Look at something like Adobe Acrobat Reader on Linux (v8). They ship all the GTK libs themselves, and most of their UI is made of custom widgets. A lot of the high profile apps on Windows have custom UIs to differentiate themselves. Proprietary apps really don't care much about integration. The file open/save dialog is about the only thing that needs to be consistent, and it is easy to write an app that uses the appropriate dialogs depending on whether it is running on KDE or Gnome. Look at Openoffice for example. They integrate equally well into KDE and Gnome, and they're not based on GTK or Qt.

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RE[7]: Unconvinced
by mikeurbandz on Fri 7th Dec 2007 19:28 in reply to "RE[6]: Unconvinced"
mikeurbandz Member since:
2007-10-29

> The three you mentioned actually still use CDE
> quite heavily.

All of them have officially replaced CDE with GNOME though. And there are quite a few people running Solaris on workstations.

> Proprietary apps really don't care much about
> integration.

I don't agree with that. It might be true on *nix, mostly cause *nix has never really had a solid history of applications following any kind of HIG. But Windows and Mac have. In most cases, Windows users care about native look and feel. And when it comes to Mac users, they are practically militant about their applications looking and feeling exactly like Apple's HIG says they should.

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RE[8]: Unconvinced
by leos on Fri 7th Dec 2007 19:45 in reply to "RE[7]: Unconvinced"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

In most cases, Windows users care about native look and feel


You're kidding. Windows apps are terribly inconsistent. Compare MS Office to Nero to Photoshop to MSN Messenger to Internet Explorer to any antivirus app, to any firewall app etc etc etc. Apparently Windows users don't care about consistency so much, and proprietary apps love differentiating their apps visually from others. I mean, just look at this OSNews story on the newly bundled photoshop apps. The UI is completely foreign, once again:
http://www.osnews.com/story.php/19021/Adobe-Premiere-Elements-4-and...


Mac users are more discerning, but even there there are a few different styles that are only being consolidated now with 10.5.

Edited 2007-12-07 19:47

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RE[8]: Unconvinced
by Chicken Blood on Fri 7th Dec 2007 19:50 in reply to "RE[7]: Unconvinced"
Chicken Blood Member since:
2005-12-21

I don't agree with that. It might be true on *nix, mostly cause *nix has never really had a solid history of applications following any kind of HIG. But Windows and Mac have. In most cases, Windows users care about native look and feel. And when it comes to Mac users, they are practically militant about their applications looking and feeling exactly like Apple's HIG says they should.

I disagree.

Adobes apps do not look native on Windows or Mac, they have custom UIs (despite HIGs).

Microsofts Office Mac software is very un mac-like.

Regardless of these facts, the software is still very popular.

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RE[8]: Unconvinced
by aseigo on Sat 8th Dec 2007 23:46 in reply to "RE[7]: Unconvinced"
aseigo Member since:
2005-07-06

> All of them have officially replaced CDE with GNOME
> though. And there are quite a few people running
> Solaris on workstations.

and quite a few people run KDE on those Solaris workstations, even though it's not the official desktop. that's pretty interesting.

Sun recently donated server hardware to the KDE project to help us ensure that KDE continues to work properly (and improve) on Solaris. there is a reason they did that =)

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