Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th Dec 2007 22:51 UTC, submitted by andrewg
KDE Ars takes a look at the new RC2 release of KDE 4.0. "Transitions are always hard, but when the dust settles, a clean break between versions and an opportunity to introduce some innovative new ideas should lead to a stronger user experience. After years of development, unnecessary cruft builds up and things tend to get disorganized. The KDE 4 transition, though it will definitely be rocky at first, gives developers the ability to cut away the cruft and reorganize code in a manner that makes the whole environment more future-proof and easier to maintain."
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Very strong start
by Dasher42 on Fri 14th Dec 2007 01:46 UTC
Dasher42
Member since:
2007-04-05

I really like what I see in RC2, in that what is there is shaping up very nicely. I do want to see several things:

1) Centrally-defined cross-application shortcuts that really work. KDE3 did this better than any other environment I've used except OSX, with minor snafus. If it took what it did and then implemented consistent shortcuts for manipulating, say, tabbed windows, and preference options for that matter, it'd rise to the top.

2) More drag and drop control of the toolbar. I really want to just throw plasmoids into there without a second thought.

3) I want the old Mac-style menubar at the top. It is nicely consistent and wastes less screen real estate.

4) The plasmoid's borders should only appear when you hit that wrench icon. They also need resize handles. Speaking of, the wrench icon could use some work itself.

That's what jumped out at me. For an RC of a x.0 release, I find Coenig a bit too buggy - but also full of exciting potential. I expect this train to be gaining steam from this point on. The fact that KDE4 apps and the environment itself will be natively ported to OSX and Windows will net it a lot of extra fans.

Cheers, devteam!

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RE: Very strong start
by leos on Fri 14th Dec 2007 02:59 in reply to "Very strong start"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

2) More drag and drop control of the toolbar. I really want to just throw plasmoids into there without a second thought.


Plasmoids in toolbars? You mean the panel? That's coming. But I'd really like to see easier toolbar editing in apps as well. Something like what Firefox does in all apps would be nice.

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RE: Very strong start
by aseigo on Fri 14th Dec 2007 06:47 in reply to "Very strong start"
aseigo Member since:
2005-07-06

> 1) Centrally-defined cross-application shortcuts
> that really work.

being worked on. probably 4.1 stuff at this point, though.

> 2) More drag and drop control of the toolbar.

*urrgggg* yes, it's coming. that was actually the original seed idea that started me down the plasma path.

> 3) I want the old Mac-style menubar at the top. It
> is nicely consistent and wastes less screen real
> estate.

afaik, kwin still supports this. however, your "wastes less screen real estate" comment is completely bogus. i'l leave it up to the reader to determine why.

> 4) The plasmoid's borders should only appear when
> you hit that wrench icon.

and then how would you get to those borders? or discover them? or turn them off? hover interfaces are the future.

> They also need resize handles.

there's already a resize tool right there.

> Speaking of, the wrench icon could use some work
> itself.

yeah.

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RE[2]: Very strong start
by Damnshock on Fri 14th Dec 2007 10:44 in reply to "RE: Very strong start"
Damnshock Member since:
2006-09-15

"afaik, kwin still supports this. however, your "wastes less screen real estate" comment is completely bogus. i'l leave it up to the reader to determine why."

Well, it wastes less space because you don't need another line in every window with the menus ;)

I hardly use the menus, everything is done by key shortcuts so... what do I need the menus for? ;)

Damnshock

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RE[2]: Very strong start
by Dasher42 on Fri 14th Dec 2007 20:20 in reply to "RE: Very strong start"
Dasher42 Member since:
2007-04-05

Thanks for the reply, aseigo, I do really like KDE.

> 3) I want the old Mac-style menubar at the top. It
> is nicely consistent and wastes less screen real
> estate.

afaik, kwin still supports this. however, your "wastes less screen real estate" comment is completely bogus. i'l leave it up to the reader to determine why.


As to this, open up three or more windows of any type that would have their own menubar, especially if they're all the same, and compare the space involved to a single strip at the top. Also consider the relative speed of putting the mouse pointer at a corner of the screen. I don't say imitate the Mac for the sake of imitating the Mac, but KDE's support for this thus far has been a plus.

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