Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 15th Dec 2007 06:17 UTC
Linux It seems that each distribution has found a niche: Red Hat and Ubuntu are the leaders in their markets, and SUSE is a comfortable runner-up. However, history has shown us that businesses are not content to stay still too long or play second fiddle. So, what will Red Hat, SUSE, and Ubuntu have to do in the new year to gain new ground?
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RE[2]: Novell
by shaga on Sat 15th Dec 2007 15:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Novell"
shaga
Member since:
2007-12-15

I don't think he is trolling. He expressed his opinion about what Novell made wrong and I second his opinion. If Novell after SUSE acquisition put more resources on KDE, and with SUSE it would mean just to continue with what they did, they would now be the driving force behind the innovation in the desktop (because KDE4 is the innovation) and would easily compete Canonical and RedHat.

Just compare the corporate funding of GNOME and KDE - GNOME is backed by RedHat, Novell, Sun, Canonical, the amount of investments into GNOME is much bigger than the investments into KDE. But still even in this situation the KDE desktop is still playing the same league as GNOME is. Why? Because of the technology. Now imagine that Novell put its force behind it (more than they do now, they still employ some KDE developers, but who is in the Novell top management?)

Maybe even I will be called a troll, but I can't help not to think that the corporate move to GNOME was one of the most unfortunate decisions ever made in the freedesktop market. Be it KDE what was chosen years ago, the freedesktop would be miles away from where it is now.

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RE[3]: Novell
by sbergman27 on Sat 15th Dec 2007 15:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Novell"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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Maybe even I will be called a troll, but I can't help not to think that the corporate move to GNOME was one of the most unfortunate decisions ever made in the freedesktop market.

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While I disagree with that assessment, I would not say that you are trolling. Trolling is not about what is said; It is about how it is said. It is not about the denotative; It is about the connotative. It is not about the rational; It is about the emotional. And it is almost always counterproductive.

Which is not to imply that I have not been guilty of it myself, on this very topic. ;-)

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RE[3]: Novell
by Hiev on Sat 15th Dec 2007 16:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Novell"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

The founding Novell and RedHat put in GNOME or GTK is nothing compared to the money behind Qt, Trolltech have more men power on it, more hours per developers, etc.

GTK has some founding but not anought.

Edited 2007-12-15 16:17

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RE[4]: Novell
by superstoned on Sat 15th Dec 2007 16:22 in reply to "RE[3]: Novell"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

I doubt that - Trolltech is good and all, but it's very small compared to Red Hat, Cannonical and Novell... Sure, there are other companies behind KDE these days, but most of those just started rather recently and aren't big at all.

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RE[4]: Novell
by segedunum on Sat 15th Dec 2007 16:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Novell"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

The founding Novell and RedHat put in GNOME or GTK is nothing compared to the money behind Qt, Trolltech have more men power on it, more hours per developers, etc.

This story seems to change depending on the context.

From what we've been told, GTK and Gnome development in general has all these big enterprise players behind them with lots of money and resources to put in. Gnome is supposedly the default desktop everywhere, and this means that we're all stuck with Gnome if you believe various people, with the big three of Red Hat, Novell and Sun behind it, with HP and IBM supposedly backing it as their default (that word comes up a lot) desktop.

I see absolutely no evidence whatsoever that any of that is true, and we've been told this for nearly eight years now. GTK is mainly maintained and kept ticking over by some Red Hat people, but as far as Gnome is concerned, pretty much all of the useful, different and innovative ideas are coming from individual contributors who just had a eureka moment and not from whiteboards in some company somewhere. That should tell you something.

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