Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jan 2008 20:47 UTC
KDE KDE's Aaron Seigo (who owes me a Martini) wrote about a few often-heard misconceptions and questions regarding KDE 4.0, which is supposed to be released January 11th. "Now that 4.0.0 is tagged and out and that bit of worry and concern is behind me for the moment, I wanted to take a moment to talk really bluntly about 4.0. In particular, I'm going to address some of the common memes in fairly random order that I see about kde 3.5 and 4.0. I'm going to speak bluntly (though not rudely) so prepare yourself."
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by tyrione on Sat 5th Jan 2008 01:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
tyrione
Member since:
2005-11-21

Create your own entity and proclaim yourself Chairman. BFD.

As they love to proclaim, they are a bunch of code heads that aren't a proprietary company.

Great! Now be professionals and surpass the professionalism [or lack thereof] of these proprietary companies and produce engineering results that meet or surpass these proprietary companies.

I've rarely met arrogant Mechanical Engineers proclaiming superiority over their peers, but in the field of Computer Science [my second degree] I see a bunch of hacks running around with an inkling of talent and one special project proclaiming to being Experts.

Give me professionals any damn day of the week and just produce quality work.

The same goes for GNOME.

It's unfortunate the GNUstep project hasn't advanced in user base/app base as GNOME/KDE. The developers in that project are extremely talented, seasoned and professional by comparison.

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by aseigo on Sat 5th Jan 2008 03:01 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
aseigo Member since:
2005-07-06

"Create your own entity and proclaim yourself Chairman. BFD. "

while i agree my position as president of our non-prof is hardly interesting, i neither created the entity (it predates my involvement with kde) nor did i proclaim myself anything within it. i was actually very hesitant to take on the position i did due to the added work load.

"produce engineering results that meet or surpass these proprietary companies."

well, that's what kde has been doing and is continuing to do. so ... i suppose we'll all be happy in the end.

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by elsewhere on Sat 5th Jan 2008 07:55 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

Create your own entity and proclaim yourself Chairman. BFD.

As they love to proclaim, they are a bunch of code heads that aren't a proprietary company.


KDE ev is a registered non-profit organization, supported financially by commercial organizations, including Novell and Intel. Aaron didn't proclaim himself chairman, he was appointed President by the board of directors and membership.

They are not a proprietary company, but proprietary companies still utilize their software, so they're doing something right, so what's your point again? Or was it just to show off that chip on your shoulder?

I've rarely met arrogant Mechanical Engineers proclaiming superiority over their peers, but in the field of Computer Science [my second degree] I see a bunch of hacks running around with an inkling of talent and one special project proclaiming to being Experts.

Give me professionals any damn day of the week and just produce quality work.


So basically you're implying superiority over the hacks running around with an inkling of talent.

That aside, instead of bitching, why don't you utilize that second degree of yours to help contribute? Or are you expecting to be spoonfed like everyone else?


It's unfortunate the GNUstep project hasn't advanced in user base/app base as GNOME/KDE. The developers in that project are extremely talented, seasoned and professional by comparison.


Maybe instead of lamenting GNUstep and the talented and seasoned developers behind it, you should consider instead why it hasn't advanced in user base/app as GNOME/KDE has, despite the talented, seasoned and professional developers. While you're doing that, the rest of the world will be busy moving on.

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by andrewg on Sat 5th Jan 2008 11:16 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
andrewg Member since:
2005-07-06

A President of KDE E.v one of his roles is to speak for KDE. Since the contention was made that he was merely a KDE developer and project lead - which he is - it was countered that he is not just those which is why people pay attention to what he says.

Prior to his election as President of KDE E.v he was one of the more vocal and articulate KDE developers who represented KDE and the KDE developers well. Add his enthusiasm for OSS and KDE in paticular it was probably why he was elected to the position. KDE members were very happy with him being one of the more visible faces of KDE.

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Mechanical Engineers ...
by gustl on Sun 6th Jan 2008 20:41 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
gustl Member since:
2006-01-19

are in a different position.

Whenever someone finds out I am good at multi-body dynamic analysis, he wants to make me a project manager of a multi-body dynamic analysis project. For which what would be irrelevant? Yes - being great shakes at multi-body dynamic analysis. Managing skills would be much better (which I seem to lack, I can hardly manage myself).

On the other hand, if someone in the Computer Science field boasts about being great in sorting algorithms, he gets to code a super-interesting sorting algorithm.

If in the mechanical engineering field it only were so, I could satisfy my self-illuminating urges ;) .
Sigh...

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