Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 16th Jan 2008 14:34 UTC, submitted by BluenoseJake
Databases MySQL AB and Sun have announced that MySQL has been bought by Sun. "Sun Microsystems today announced it has entered into a definitive agreement to acquire MySQL AB, an open source icon and developer of one of the world's fastest growing open source databases for approximately USD 1 billion in total consideration. The acquisition accelerates Sun's position in enterprise IT to now include the USD 15 billion database market. Today's announcement reaffirms Sun's position as the leading provider of platforms for the Web economy and its role as the largest commercial open source contributor." More here.
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Hope this helps...
by miketech on Wed 16th Jan 2008 15:12 UTC
miketech
Member since:
2005-07-21

to improve Java acceptance on web hosters.

Sun often has great ideas. But imho they are not able to make it attractive for many people.

Example: JavaFX. Nice idea and I like the language. But there are no released tools for productive use. Not enough marketing etc.

Same with Java for web applications: It is ok for big companies, but why don't they try to improve its acceptance for hobby programmers? They should try to make it easier and we need much more java hosters for hobby programmers.

I hope that the mysql deal is not the same as usual. Else Sun is able to pull down MySQL usage and spreading.

They obviously think: Hm we do it only halfway through, the rest will be finished without us. They have to make it more comfortable for developers and newbies to spread the technologies.

Greetings

Mike

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RE: Hope this helps...
by Adam S on Wed 16th Jan 2008 15:39 in reply to "Hope this helps..."
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Because almost every administrative or developer app written in Java is trashy looking and limited in OS integration.

Ever used the Citrix admin console? It's a nightmare, right click doesn't work as expected, you can't type and watch the cursor and focus go to where your highlight has moved. If you remember Novell Netware, the nwadmin.exe was awesome, but their own java-based Console One was ugly and weird. I'm not even touching on eclipse.

I know it doesn't seem to make sense, but I think Java would make headway if there were more native interface apps.

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by CharAznable on Wed 16th Jan 2008 15:49 in reply to "RE: Hope this helps..."
CharAznable Member since:
2005-07-06

Those considerations are true, but irrelevant for server-side Java. I wish setting up a Java web app environment was as easy and accessible as setting up a LAMP server.

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by edmnc on Wed 16th Jan 2008 16:08 in reply to "RE: Hope this helps..."
edmnc Member since:
2006-02-21

I'm not even touching on eclipse.


Whats wrong with eclipse? I like it both on Ubuntu and Windows (XP and Vista)

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by Touvan on Wed 16th Jan 2008 16:25 in reply to "RE: Hope this helps..."
Touvan Member since:
2006-09-01

I don't know, I rather like(d) Azureus (don't get me started on Vuze), and think Eclipse works as expected on both Windows and Ubuntu (they feel native on both). Similar arguments are made about other cross platform GUI toolkits, like GTK (Pidgin - feels native on Windows and of course is native on Ubuntu), and some of Mono. I didn't even know that Banshee and F-Spot were running on Mono at first - both very nice apps - especially F-Spot.

Sun does need to figure out how to help their developers choose the appropriate tool kits though. These good apps do seem to be the exception rather than the rule.

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RE[2]: Hope this helps...
by sorpigal on Thu 17th Jan 2008 23:25 in reply to "RE: Hope this helps..."
sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

ConsoleOne was merely half-finished. Its javaness had less to do with its unsuitability than Novell's lack of focus.

NWAdmin did everything, except some things you did from the console. ConsoleOne, intended to replace nwadmin, did some things, but not the things done from iManager, and some things done from the console, or some things still easiest to do in nwadmin. iManager didn't do much, except for the areas where it did everything.

Novell kept starting towards making a universal, standard config tool, stopping half way and starting again.

I firmly believe that c1 was the right way to go, if only they would *finished* the damn thing. You can pine for nwadmin all you want but the reality is that it had too many weirdly-behaving widgets to really feel native and was never very stable.

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RE: Hope this helps...
by chimby on Wed 16th Jan 2008 16:30 in reply to "Hope this helps..."
chimby Member since:
2006-10-02

You are absolutely right about developer tools. It doesn't matter how good your technology is, without good dev tools it won't get used.

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by Joe User on Wed 16th Jan 2008 19:17 in reply to "Hope this helps..."
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by NotInterested on Thu 17th Jan 2008 13:35 in reply to "RE: Hope this helps..."
NotInterested Member since:
2008-01-02

How can you relate the 2 languages? You could add more credibility to your comment if you were to compare Java with Python and said that python is the way to go. But C++? Come on now. They fill two completely different needs.

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