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I don't know, I rather like(d) Azureus (don't get me started on Vuze), and think Eclipse works as expected on both Windows and Ubuntu (they feel native on both). Similar arguments are made about other cross platform GUI toolkits, like GTK (Pidgin - feels native on Windows and of course is native on Ubuntu), and some of Mono. I didn't even know that Banshee and F-Spot were running on Mono at first - both very nice apps - especially F-Spot.
Sun does need to figure out how to help their developers choose the appropriate tool kits though. These good apps do seem to be the exception rather than the rule.
>I didn't even know that Banshee and F-Spot were running on Mono at first - both very nice apps - especially F-Spot.
That's because they use Gtk#.
This is not a question about the platform/language but about the toolkit. If you would use java-gnome instead of the other java toolkits your java app would look native on GNOME too and the same is true for the Qt Java bindings and KDE.
ConsoleOne was merely half-finished. Its javaness had less to do with its unsuitability than Novell's lack of focus.
NWAdmin did everything, except some things you did from the console. ConsoleOne, intended to replace nwadmin, did some things, but not the things done from iManager, and some things done from the console, or some things still easiest to do in nwadmin. iManager didn't do much, except for the areas where it did everything.
Novell kept starting towards making a universal, standard config tool, stopping half way and starting again.
I firmly believe that c1 was the right way to go, if only they would *finished* the damn thing. You can pine for nwadmin all you want but the reality is that it had too many weirdly-behaving widgets to really feel native and was never very stable.







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Because almost every administrative or developer app written in Java is trashy looking and limited in OS integration.
Ever used the Citrix admin console? It's a nightmare, right click doesn't work as expected, you can't type and watch the cursor and focus go to where your highlight has moved. If you remember Novell Netware, the nwadmin.exe was awesome, but their own java-based Console One was ugly and weird. I'm not even touching on eclipse.
I know it doesn't seem to make sense, but I think Java would make headway if there were more native interface apps.