Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 28th Jan 2008 09:33 UTC, submitted by anonymous
Qt Trolltech, the originator of Qt, which forms the basis of the Linux KDE desktop environment, is being acquired by Nokia, the world's number-one mobile phone vendor. Nokia expects its acquisition of Trolltech to accelerate its cross-platform software strategy for mobile devices and desktop applications, and to enhance its Internet services business. The original press release is also available. Update: "We will continue to actively develop Qt and Qtopia. We also want to underline that we will continue to support the open source community by continuing to release these technologies under the GPL."
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RE[2]: Nokia not trustworthy
by Dinadan on Mon 28th Jan 2008 12:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Nokia not trustworthy"
Dinadan
Member since:
2005-10-11

that is not the point, the point is that is is unethical behavior to first cash the subsidies and then shutdown the production and lay off all emplyees. don't expect them to do trolltech any good. this is a bad day for KDE.

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RE[3]: Nokia not trustworthy
by tuttle on Mon 28th Jan 2008 13:07 in reply to "RE[2]: Nokia not trustworthy"
tuttle Member since:
2006-03-01

that is not the point, the point is that is is unethical behavior to first cash the subsidies and then shutdown the production and lay off all emplyees. don't expect them to do trolltech any good. this is a bad day for KDE.


What is unethical about that? They made a deal with the government that they would guarantee the jobs for x amount of subsidies until 2006. They did exactly what they promised in the contract for the subsidies.

Now that the subsidies have run out, they move somewhere where production is cheaper. They can not afford to pay huge german wages when all other mobile phone manufacturers are producing in asia.

Nokia is not a charity but a for-profit corporation. So you can not expect them to waste an opportunity to reduce costs.

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RE[4]: Nokia not trustworthy
by Almindor on Mon 28th Jan 2008 14:36 in reply to "RE[3]: Nokia not trustworthy"
Almindor Member since:
2006-01-16

And exactly THAT is unethical. It might be logical, it might be business-like but it's unethical non the less. And yes that means that all capitalist companies are unethical.

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RE[4]: Nokia not trustworthy
by Kondor337 on Mon 28th Jan 2008 17:09 in reply to "RE[3]: Nokia not trustworthy"
Kondor337 Member since:
2006-09-16

> What is unethical about that? They made a deal with the government
> that they would guarantee the jobs for x amount of subsidies until
> 2006. They did exactly what they promised in the contract for the
> subsidies.

First of all, even if they didn't violate the law, it doesn't make it less unethical. Not nearly everything that is legal is ethical.
Additionally, it looks like Nokia did NOT what they promised in the contract and therefore they will probably have to return about 40 million Euros in subsidies to the government of North-Rhine-Westphalia:

http://www.fr-online.de/in_und_ausland/wirtschaft/aktuell/?sid=7b96... (German)

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RE[3]: Nokia not trustworthy
by dagw on Mon 28th Jan 2008 15:52 in reply to "RE[2]: Nokia not trustworthy"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

So what, in your mind, should they have done? Kept a highly unprofitable plant going indefinitly? Why should Nokia hemorage money so some people can keep their jobs? If you can't compete on price you better compete on speed and quality. If you simply can't compete why should you be kept around?

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RE[4]: Nokia not trustworthy
by Kondor337 on Mon 28th Jan 2008 17:01 in reply to "RE[3]: Nokia not trustworthy"
Kondor337 Member since:
2006-09-16

> Kept a highly unprofitable plant going indefinitly? Why should Nokia
> hemorage money so some people can keep their jobs?

Highly unprofitable?? There's a very big difference between a highly profitable plant that's only not as profitable as it perhaps could be in another country with lower wages, and an unprofitable, let alone "highly unprofitable" plant!

Additionally, Nokia has compared Apples and Oranges: They compared the costs of production and R&D in Bochum to just production elsewhere. Had they compared production in Bochum vs. production in Finnland, Bochum wouldn't have been less profitable:

http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/betriebsrat_aid_235055.html (German)

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