Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 30th Jan 2008 22:57 UTC, submitted by irbis
Opera Software "Tabs. Mouse gestures. User-agent switcher. Dedicated transfer window. Pop-up blocking and javascript abuse filtering. Integrated search box. Page zoom. Session saver. Chew on those features. We'll be coming back to them."
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First, First, First! IT DOES NOT MATTER!
by SpookyET on Thu 31st Jan 2008 00:20 UTC
SpookyET
Member since:
2005-07-08

It does not matter whom implemented the feature first. It does not matter who was the innovator. All that matters is how that feature was presented.

By default, the Opera interface SUCKS. Yes, I know that it is customisable, and you can make it look similar to Firefox, Safari, or another browser. And, yes, I've done that. For a laptop, it's the best browser (on Windows) because its keyboard navigation is second to none. You can move focus on objects up, down, left, right with CTRL+ARROW KEYS.

The problem is that people do not want to invest the time to customise. They want it it look good from the start. They want it to make sense from the start.

Not to mention, people now want extensions, which are not available for Opera.

They need to hire a UI designer, and they must make sure that it blends in on all relevant platforms.

It should blend in on Vista, XP, KDE, OSX.

You do not see its ugliness when you browse the web with the Nitendo Wii.

Its rendering engine is one of the best, if not the best. It supports a lot of HTML5, for example. They are innovators, but they are not presenters.

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gary.c Member since:
2007-07-30

By default, the Opera interface SUCKS.


By definition, aesthetic judgements are subjective.

I like Opera's interface. I use Firefox mainly for the dev tools and to test sites I'm doing, but much prefer Opera for browsing in general, due to all the positive points listed in the article. I've never been bothered by the "it's too different" aspect. I guess I like the differences. It hasn't been a problem to find new skins (which Opera can use immediately -- no restart needed) so in that regard too there's really no problem. My point is just to emphasize the subjectivity of interface design. To some people, Opera does feel better to use than any other browser.

-- Gary

Edited 2008-01-31 01:12 UTC

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flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

"By default, the Opera interface SUCKS.


By definition, aesthetic judgements are subjective.
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True, but I agree with him.

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andrewg Member since:
2005-07-06

I disagree. I believe there is an objective component. I think its actually quite an important question i.e. whether or not things like beauty or aeshetics are intrinsically so or at least have an intrinsic component which makes them beautiful.

There is a little book called "The abolition of man" by C.S. Lewis which you may find interesting.

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Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

By default, the Opera interface SUCKS.

Please tell what you like in Firefox and what you don't like in Opera, based on this comparison screenshot: http://i27.tinypic.com/en77n.png

its keyboard navigation is second to none

Ok, please take a look at these two links and tell us what you're missing, maybe Opera devs could add it to the next version.

http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/keyboard/

The problem is that people do not want to invest the time to customise. They want it it look good from the start. They want it to make sense from the start.

Opera and Firefox (and other browsers) look pretty much the same from the start: http://i27.tinypic.com/en77n.png Or am I missing something? If the problem is the Opera logo in the title bar, then I tend to think the problem of Opera is not a technical problem, but rather a brand problem. People dislike Opera because it's Opera.

people now want extensions

Not people, geeks.

which are not available for Opera.

No need, these functionalities come already out of the box. Isn't it better? Who wants to chase for extensions that not always work across upgrades?

It should blend in on Vista, XP, KDE, OSX.

Now, this is interesting. Opera has native OS integration in Vista, XP, KDE and OS X. However, Firefox doesn't have native integration for KDE, although it has for Gnome because Opera uses Qt and Firefox uses Gtk.

They are innovators, but they are not presenters.

I really don't think the problem is a GUI issue. It's rather a branding issue. Who here dislikes the Opera application but likes the Opera Software company itself? I'm sure not many.

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bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23


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Now, this is interesting. Opera has native OS integration in Vista, XP, KDE and OS X. However, Firefox doesn't have native integration for KDE, although it has for Gnome because Opera uses Qt and Firefox uses Gtk.
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I really don't think the problem is a GUI issue. It's rather a branding issue. Who here dislikes the Opera application but likes the Opera Software company itself? I'm sure not many.


Opera always feels odd. It may not be any different but it always makes me work harder to do things. e.g., I thought it was great that they had PhishTank integration. I thought that it was ridiculous that I had to activate it. For similar reasons, I don't use Safari unless I need something specific.

Opera is a third browser on all my systems, even when I only have two browsers installed.

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TLZ_ Member since:
2007-02-05

I can't really agree with Opera's interface sucking. One thing is it's appearance witch is subjective, but one is the working of it. Although Opera is slightly different from Firefox they are quite similar and both very simple.

A lot of criticism against Opera seems to nothing more than "Why isn't Opera like Firefox" represented in other argumetns. To that I say: why should Opera be like Firefox? It's it's own browser and Opera have the guts to be different. The fruit of it is innovation, but the price it that a lot of people don't like it that much.

One thing about Opera is that when people do like Opera they tend to *love* Opera. I would even go as far as compare us to the Apple-fans that just LOVE their OS. (Now many say that that Apple-thing is because of marketing... but considering how really flawed the Opera marketing really is that argument doesen't really count here.)

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