Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 1st Feb 2008 20:56 UTC, submitted by irbis
Debian and its clones "At a recent Australian Linux conference, Sam Varghese reported that two Debian developers pointed out that the Debian Project needs more corporate support for 'men, money and machines' to advance the operating system. They're right. It does. They also pointed out that many companies, such as HP, IBM, Silicon Graphics and Google, either use Debian Linux internally, or actually incorporate it into products. For example, HP uses Debian 'Etch' 4.0 in its new t5735 thin-client device. Right again. Debian, either directly or through related Linux distributions such as Xandros, is used both by Linux enthusiasts and Fortune 500 companies. Of course, you couldn't prove that by the vast majority of Debian developers who never see a thin dime from their Debian work. Or, I should add, get access to new hardware, travel expenses to Debian developer conferences and so on."
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RE: People Can't Trust Debian
by mzilikazi on Sat 2nd Feb 2008 00:14 UTC in reply to "People Can't Trust Debian"
mzilikazi
Member since:
2006-02-11

'Firefox', is another classic example of this lunatic thinking.

Basically, you can sum this up as "We have our own packaging system, we don't want anything else encroaching on our territory and we want to tell software and people what they should be doing."

You can't really trust a distribution that spends time and effort coming out with this stuff, and not actually making things any better for people.

Firefox became Iceweasel due to a licensing issue. It's not about anything more or less despite what you may think. To quote wikipedia:
The Debian Free Software Guidelines are used by the Debian project to determine whether a license is a free license, which in turn is used to determine whether something can be included in Debian. As the (Firefox) logo does not meet these requirements, it could not be used by software which was to be included in Debian.
/snip/
the artwork in Firefox has a proprietary copyright license which is not compatible with the Debian Free Software Guidelines


Furthermore, you should read the http://www.debian.org/social_contract

The very first item reads:
# Debian will remain 100% free

We provide the guidelines that we use to determine if a work is free in the document entitled The Debian Free Software Guidelines. We promise that the Debian system and all its components will be free according to these guidelines. We will support people who create or use both free and non-free works on Debian. We will never make the system require the use of a non-free component.


The Mozilla Corporation (read taxable entiity) forced this upon Debian, not the other way around. You are clearly mis-informed and should probably do a bit more research before making outrageous claims on that which you do not fully understand.

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Firefox became Iceweasel due to a licensing issue. It's not about anything more or less despite what you may think.


They decided to fork Firefox, and ultimately diverge the code, for reasons that are of no concern to an end user and which other distributions have had no trouble with whatsoever.

Furthermore, you should read the http://www.debian.org/social_contract


This is my point. They've spent more time on drawing up social contracts and arguing about ethics than they have writing code, getting releases out and actually making things work.

The Mozilla Corporation (read taxable entiity)...


In less than one sentence you've just made my point, and that of the author of the article.

...forced this upon Debian, not the other way around. You are clearly mis-informed and should probably do a bit more research before making outrageous claims on that which you do not fully understand.


Mozilla forced nothing on Debian, other than if they want to use the Firefox name and graphics then what is packaged has to be Firefox. Debian couldn't even do that. No other distribution has had any trouble with this whatsoever. I'm amused that you think I'm making outrageous claims (whatever they are). Debian are free to fork every single piece of open source software they see fit to fit in with their social contract, but it doesn't make it any less idiotic.

I suggest you re-read the article, and some of the comments, and understand the points people are making rather than running into a China shop with embarrassing and over-the-top defences of Debian's silly decisions - which, of course, we are all misinformed on and don't understand ;-).

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