Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 7th Feb 2008 22:47 UTC, submitted by tyrione
Linux Linus Torvalds, leader of the cult of Linux, took a swipe at Apple's OS X and Microsoft Vista in the same breath at a conference in Australia last week. Speaking at the conference in Melbourne, Australia, a few weeks ago, Torvalds called Leopard 'utter crap' and bashed the proprietary OS makers for being greedy, according to Australian reporter Nick Miller in the The Age. "I don't think they're equally flawed - I think Leopard is a much better system," Torvalds said. "(But) OS X in some ways is actually worse than Windows to program for. Their file system is complete and utter crap, which is scary." He also scoffed at his rivals' practice of revenue-through-renewal by launching upgrades that require new purchases. "An operating system should be completely invisible," Torvalds said. "To Microsoft and Apple (it is) a way to control the whole environment - to force people to upgrade their applications and hardware."
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RE: Yes Linus i believe you....
by hornett on Fri 8th Feb 2008 08:00 UTC in reply to "Yes Linus i believe you...."
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Another stupidities coming out from the mouth of Linus.

-"OS X in some ways is actually worse than Windows to program for"

Before to talk about another system he should first look at Linux. I am a mac programmer, i use Cocoa everyday, there is nothing like Cocoa in Linux that allows me to build a modern application quickly and effectively. Linux is a hell more inconvenient to program, and compared to OS X, you often end up to rewrite the wheel by yourself. And try to write a driver for Linux, then compare to OS X.

For the most part I agree with your post, however doesn't gorm + the gnustep libraries provide you with a Cocoa-like development environment?

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Actually, I used Cocoa heavily in the past too, but recently, I'm changing, because it does have a few shortcomings.

I wont deny it is a beautiful way of programming. However

1) For all of Apple's preaching about open source, Apple's development libs are not open source.

2) None of Apple's libs which make cocoa great are not cross platform

3) You are stuck in an OS upgrade cycle. Apple wont backport any libs to previous OS's. So major rewrites to the new features disadvantage old customers.

I've started taking a look at the new QT instead and dumping Objective C, and I do like the feature set, but , only time will tell if its more efficient to code with. But I do like the idea of being able to program somethign that will work on Windows, linux and OSX at the same time

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