Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 7th Feb 2008 22:47 UTC, submitted by tyrione
Linus Torvalds, leader of the cult of Linux, took a swipe at Apple's OS X and Microsoft Vista in the same breath at a conference in Australia last week. Speaking at the linux.conf.au conference in Melbourne, Australia, a few weeks ago, Torvalds called Leopard 'utter crap' and bashed the proprietary OS makers for being greedy, according to Australian reporter Nick Miller in the The Age. "I don't think they're equally flawed - I think Leopard is a much better system," Torvalds said. "(But) OS X in some ways is actually worse than Windows to program for. Their file system is complete and utter crap, which is scary." He also scoffed at his rivals' practice of revenue-through-renewal by launching upgrades that require new purchases. "An operating system should be completely invisible," Torvalds said. "To Microsoft and Apple (it is) a way to control the whole environment - to force people to upgrade their applications and hardware."
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RE: Tired of Linus unscientific views
by Auzy on Fri 8th Feb 2008 11:42
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Member since:2008-01-20
Lets be honest though, every OS has a bad guy.
FreeBSD has Theo, Windows has Ballmer, OSX has Jobs (and yeah, apparently his not the friendly type) and Linus, lets be honest, we've all seen some of his posts on the kernel mailing list in the past.
The trick is though to look past the leaders, and look at the general development community. I'd imagine running a OS development team could get a bit stressful (the only way to get out of work mode is turning off the computer).
RE[2]: Tired of Linus unscientific views
by Doc Pain on Fri 8th Feb 2008 16:16
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Member since:2006-10-08
Lets be honest though, every OS has a bad guy. FreeBSD has Theo, [...]
I think you're talking about OpenBSD. FreeBSD's bad guy is... a little red daemon? :-)
I'd imagine running a OS development team could get a bit stressful (the only way to get out of work mode is turning off the computer).
Downtime? Nooo!!! :-)
Kernel development seems to be a situation like this: Put a group of egocentric and highly intelligent, and maybe autistic programmers into one room and see how they manage to work as a team. Must be funny. But finally, programmers that do such tricky stuff like kernel development usually are educated enough to do excellent work without tending to put up personal diatribes or tirades of FUD against their "opponents".
RE: Tired of Linus unscientific views
by Soulbender on Fri 8th Feb 2008 13:48
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Member since:2005-08-18
as a rebel -- in fact with his 'phrases' he speaks like a 15-year old teenager.
Developers developers developers!
you can't say things like "X is utter crap".
Why the hell not? He's all of a sudden not allowed to speak his mind? It's not in a leaders job description to be liked by everyone and never say anything controversial. It's, however, his job to get shit done.
Give a scientific view why X is "utter crap" (without saying that explicitly) and why a thing or theory you propose is superior.
How do you know he didn't?
Thank God that true scientists exist out there in the industry with intelligent views.
I don't know what planet you're living on but here on Earth we've had plenty of opinionated and fscked up "true" scientists over the years. You just have to look at Jack Parsons but there are many other examples.
Or maybe you're saying that any scientist that does not conform is not a true scientist?
RE[2]: Tired of Linus unscientific views
by tyrione on Fri 8th Feb 2008 19:09
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Member since:2005-11-21
"as a rebel -- in fact with his 'phrases' he speaks like a 15-year old teenager.
Developers developers developers!
you can't say things like "X is utter crap".
Why the hell not? He's all of a sudden not allowed to speak his mind? It's not in a leaders job description to be liked by everyone and never say anything controversial. It's, however, his job to get shit done.
Give a scientific view why X is "utter crap" (without saying that explicitly) and why a thing or theory you propose is superior.
How do you know he didn't?
Thank God that true scientists exist out there in the industry with intelligent views.
I don't know what planet you're living on but here on Earth we've had plenty of opinionated and fscked up "true" scientists over the years. You just have to look at Jack Parsons but there are many other examples.
Or maybe you're saying that any scientist that does not conform is not a true scientist? "
Did you know Jack personally? I didn't think so. I'd refrain from innuendo about his belief system and private life in comparison to what he accomplished by founding JPL and what he did for the space race.
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I'm tired of this, sincerely. I sometimes think Linus wants other people to see him as a rebel -- in fact with his 'phrases' he speaks like a 15-year old teenager.
I don't like Microsoft too much, I don't like Apple too much, o.k, but if you (supposedly) are a scientific, or at least you try to think like the leader of a project the complexity of the Linux kernel, you can't say things like "X is utter crap". And i'm approving his right of free speech of course, but I can't approve his frequent void phrases. Give a scientific view why X is "utter crap" (without saying that explicitly) and why a thing or theory you propose is superior. That's science. With cult or religion we are going back 500 years, and we are talking about Computer SCIENCE.
Thank God that true scientists exist out there in the industry with intelligent views. With Linus views we are not going forward -- he likes to be the Pope.