Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 25th Feb 2008 22:09 UTC
Internet Explorer Microsoft has sent an e-mail to a select number of its previous beta testers regarding the upcoming release of IE8 beta 1. "We are nearing the launch of Windows Internet Explorer 8 Beta 1 and we will be making it available for the general public to download and test. IE8 Beta 1 is focused on the developer community, with the goal of gaining valuable feedback to improve Internet Explorer 8 during the development process."
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RE[3]: Comment by handy
by lemur2 on Tue 26th Feb 2008 14:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by handy"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

Does the W3C define SVG as being an integral part of the HTML standard? Does it say browsers need to integrate it to be standards compliant?


Err ... yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W3C_standards#Standards

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RE[4]: Comment by handy
by google_ninja on Tue 26th Feb 2008 14:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by handy"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

err... no. SVG is a w3c standard, but it is not part of the HTML or XHTML spec.

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RE[5]: Comment by handy
by lemur2 on Tue 26th Feb 2008 22:25 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by handy"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

err... no. SVG is a w3c standard, but it is not part of the HTML or XHTML spec.


Err ... OK, but it is nveretheless part of the W3C/IETF Standards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W3C_standards#Standards

The W3C standards are meant to achieve "device independence" for accessibility of internet-based services:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_Independence
http://www.w3.org/2001/di/
http://www.w3.org/TR/di-princ/

Since we are talking here about all internet-based services to be accessible by all and sundry internet-connected devices, it makes sense that an independent body sets the applicable standards, as opposed to allowing control by any one vendor.

That means that the W3C, and not Microsoft, gets to say what is correct, and what is not, for internet-connected devices.

Since IE is part of an Internet-connected device accessing Inetrnet-based services, the the IE browser should indeed support SVG graphics, regardless if the SVG specification is part of HTML or separately specified.

Internet Explorer does not comply.

Edited 2008-02-26 22:28 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by handy
by sappyvcv on Tue 26th Feb 2008 20:44 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by handy"
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Aside from what google_ninja pointed out, how many of those listed are supported in Firefox? Webkit? Opera?

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RE[5]: Comment by handy
by MordEth on Wed 27th Feb 2008 05:48 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by handy"
MordEth Member since:
2006-07-16

Actually, all of those work (at least to display) in Firefox, Opera, and Safari (Webkit). Only Firefox actually seems to like the Space Invaders game, though. Opera displays it (but doesn't let you play), and Safari (Webkit) stopped responding after starting a game.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVG#Native_support for more information.

Note: I was testing on the nightly build of Firefox 3.0b4; Firefox 2.0.0.12 may not support the Space Invaders game.

It's pretty much a given that standards support for anything is better in any browser other than Internet Explorer. I hate having to support it, especially IE6 (which sadly, a huge percentage of people still use): 17%, 12%, 13%, 13%, and 14%, from the 5 sites on which I have access to Google Analytics data. The ironic part is the last of those sites (with 14%) makes no pretense of supporting IE6 (transparent PNG layout, done via CSS which renders the Javascript PNG fix impossible, plus other CSS IE6 basically does not render), to the point of inserting a H1 warning with text about insecurity and linking to Wikipedia, while urging the viewer to download other browsers. Despite all of this, still it has 14% of its traffic from IE6.

Web developers will still have to support that abomination for years, or get more vocal about "This page refuses to support your browser because..."

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