Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Feb 2008 12:08 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Fedora Core "Paul Frields is new to Red Hat, but he's not new to the Fedora Linux community. Frields became the Fedora project leader and a Red Hat employee at the beginning of February. Previously Frields was a US government employee and a contributor to the Fedora community for more than four years. Frields takes over at a pivotal time for Fedora as it gears up for its next major release, Fedora 9. A feature freeze is currently set for March 4, and Frields is already ready to chat about where Fedora is heading."
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RE[3]: Comment by simo
by sbergman27 on Sat 1st Mar 2008 23:48 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by simo"
sbergman27
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2005-07-24

Scorn of the community? Which community? Where? Care to elaborate? (As opposed to spewing random allegations?)


See? An SELinux fan has just gone into attack mode as a result of my suggestion to turn it off. Didn't take long, either. Are you seriously going to argue that when the topic of disabling SELinux comes up, people (like you, apparently) come out of the woodwork to scream that doing so it wrong? Simply peruse most any thread in which turning off SELinux is suggested.

But when such vulnerability is found, the only thing standing between the exploit and your precious data/root account/etc is SELinux - nothing else.


Untrue. nx, exec-shield, and other less intrusive measures have been around for a long time. SELinux is just one of many measures. And it happens to be more intrusive, problematic, and (overly) complex than the others, including AppArmor. (Not that I'm necessarily advocating AppArmor, either.)

(and I'm being -very- polite).


Really? I suggest that turning off SELinux is often appropriate, and you accuse me of being too lazy to help out with the community project. I'd hardly call that being polite. But thanks for making my original point for me... by showing your *scorn*.

I'd suggest you stay clear of Fedora. Really, nobody is forcing you.


More scorn.

Oh, I like Fedora, alright. And RHL before that, back to about 4.1. But I simply do the reasonable thing, and turn off SELinux where appropriate, and go on. It's just too bad that people get so bent out of shape over the idea of *other people* doing so.

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RE[4]: Comment by simo
by sbergman27 on Sun 2nd Mar 2008 01:57 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by simo"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Hmmm. It occurs to me that my post, above, probably comes across as more confrontational than I had actually intended.

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RE[4]: Comment by simo
by Finalzone on Sun 2nd Mar 2008 02:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by simo"
Finalzone Member since:
2005-07-06

See? An SELinux fan has just gone into attack mode as a result of my suggestion to turn it off. Didn't take long, either. Are you seriously going to argue that when the topic of disabling SELinux comes up, people (like you, apparently) come out of the woodwork to scream that doing so it wrong? Simply peruse most any thread in which turning off SELinux is suggested.

Starting from Fedora 6, disabling SELinux is no longer an excuse because tools to diagnose the problem and report them are available, that method is the last resort.

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RE[5]: Comment by simo
by sbergman27 on Sun 2nd Mar 2008 02:37 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by simo"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I could safely rest my case now. But I will point out that utilities like lpadmin fail silently, claiming to have created a printer without actually doing it, as late as RHEL5. The "created" printer even works... until the next reboot, at which point no evidence remains that it ever existed. Turning off SELinux fixes the problem. It's that sort of inexplicable time-waster that leaves me skeptical.

And why should anyone be required to provide you, or anyone else, an explanation for administering their own machines the way they see fit?

Edited 2008-03-02 02:45 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by simo
by gilboa on Sun 2nd Mar 2008 07:33 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by simo"
gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

I wonder why you conveniently forgot to quote your original text.
Let me assist you:

(sbergman27) And face the scorn of a community which will condemn your action as being inexcusable, and assert that you are just stupid and lazy, while advising that you should spend your days fighting the fires with setroubleshoot rather than getting real work done.


(gilboa) A. Scorn of the community? Which community? Where? Care to elaborate? (As opposed to spewing random allegations?)


(sbergman27) See? An SELinux fan has just gone into attack mode as a result of my suggestion to turn it off. Didn't take long...


As I'm not in the habit of feeding trolls, forgive me if I ignore the rest of your comment.

- Gilboa

Edited 2008-03-02 07:35 UTC

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