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Why don't more people use Opera?
by jrronimo on Mon 10th Mar 2008 21:04 UTC
jrronimo
Member since:
2006-02-28

I've been using Opera for a number of years and I love it. I really do believe it to be the best browser on the market.

But why do the denizens of OSNews not use it? Are you just content with Firefox or what?

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

FWIW, on a megabytes per instance basis, Opera is the single largest memory hog on my servers. We run a lot of simultaneous Epiphany, Evolution, and OpenOffice instances. But I was surprised to discover that once I had done away with Firefox and Thunderbird, Opera, which we use for a few sites that Epiphany gets rejected from with a "We don't yet support Netscape" message, is the next resource hog that I need to tackle.

Edited 2008-03-10 21:13 UTC

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J.R. Member since:
2007-07-25

I've been using Opera for a number of years and I love it. I really do believe it to be the best browser on the market.

But why do the denizens of OSNews not use it? Are you just content with Firefox or what?


I am not content with either Firefox, Safari or IE for various reasons...however, since I have to use a browser I would pick one of these over Opera since I can't stand the horrible Opera user interface and behavior. I am not saying Opera isn't any good, I am just saying its not my cup of tea.

It all comes down to one simple property: That Opera are not capable of opening a browser-window with only a given url when I have said it should open with startpage. Its either both or none...unlike any of the previously mentioned browsers.

So please don't mod me down for this one. Once again I am not saying anything bad about Opera, its just not my preference due to its interface and behavior that doesn't fit my browsing habbits.

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seridan Member since:
2005-07-06

It all comes down to one simple property: That Opera are not capable of opening a browser-window with only a given url when I have said it should open with startpage. Its either both or none...unlike any of the previously mentioned browsers.

Have you recently tryed opera it as it is perfecly possible to set it that way. Tools ->preferences -> startup . And yes it then only opens the homepage you have choosen nothing more.

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RandomGuy Member since:
2006-07-30

I use Konqueror because I like to use the same program for browsing the internet and managing my files.

For some time I used Firefox but its only real advantage to me was that it screwed up less websites. That's why I still have it installed although I don't need it all that often.

I also tried Opera. It seemed rather fast and the mouse gestures were a nice touch. I'm not dexterous enough though, the only thing that worked reliably was next and back :-D
Last time I checked Opera was proprietary and that's a big, big minus in my book.

All in all I just don't see any compelling reason to install it.

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TLZ_ Member since:
2007-02-05

If I'm not mistaken some of Opera's employees (namely CSS-guru and CTO HÃ¥kon Wium Lie) was positive to making it open source.

He mentions this in a (Norwegian) interview: http://www.digi.no/php/art.php?id=500083

Here are some selected quotes I'm transelating. (I'm not language expert though so they won't be the most accurate, but accurate enough I hope!)

"Everyone who sells software these days discusses open source. It would be irresponsible to do otherwise."

"We are quite proud of our code and would very much like to show it. The problem is commercial re-use. It's businesses wise problematic."

"We haven't found a business model that is compatible with todays open source-licenses"

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't use it because it isn't compatible with Google's online services; take the rich text box used in Blogger, it doesn't work properly. Uploading videos to YouTube, doesn't work properly. There is a whole laundry list of incompatibilities. These are going to be fixed in 9.5.

I think the greater issue is the lack of accepting by Opera engineers and management that the reason why people don't use it is because it doesn't do what people want; who cares if it isn't from big-bad Microsoft, if they can't visit the websites they like, they're not going to move.

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rickrock Member since:
2008-03-11

@kaiwai

"I think the greater issue is the lack of accepting by Opera engineers and management that the reason why people don't use it is because it doesn't do what people want; who cares if it isn't from big-bad Microsoft, if they can't visit the websites they like, they're not going to move.

That's assuming that Opera is to blame for all these problems.

It's assuming that Opera pretends that they don't exist.

Reality is that Opera is always working hard on compatibility. As should be apparent from 9.5 (and actually all versions before that).

The main problem is that Opera has a small user base so sites aren't tested in Opera. Firefox has lots of users, and even before it became popular it could benefit from descending from Netscape (and thus get compatibility for free) since most sites were designed to work with IE and Netscape 6 anyway.

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l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

But why do the denizens of OSNews not use it?


I think you got it a bit wrong. It's not that we don't use it, we just know its place. I also have it always installed, but I rarely use it, and it's always been in "that other browser you test things in from time to time" status for me. I liked its mobile version for a time though, but these days I mostly use the ie mobile and try minimo from time to time and that's it. I always found it just lacked a little bit of a lot of things, and that description kept to be constant [for me at least] at each release.

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agrouf Member since:
2006-11-17

Because they don't have a monopoly on OS and they don't use it to illegally push their web browser bundled with their OS. Try uninstalling IE and Windows won't work anymore. You have to use IE anyway. And don't tell me IE is the most used browser because it is better.
This comic is pretty stupid actually. If you believe IE7 is competing on its own merit, you must be drinking too much. IE7 is bundled in Windows. Everybody is forced to make their site work with IE7. If IE7 isn't standard compliant, it means they are making so that many wab site won't necesastily work with other browsers. As such, they are using a monopoly to crush the competition and they are breacking the law. In such a case, suing is the perfectly reasonable thing to do.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

So... why is Opera fairing so poorly against Firefox?

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chuzwuzza Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't know really. Every time I've used it it's been lightning fast, compatible and feature filled. But it just doesn't sit right somehow. It's completely unquantifiable, but it just doesn't feel good. Also the interface on the mac version has enough little differences to make it quite jarring and stand out as not a mac app.

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anevilyak Member since:
2005-09-14

But why do the denizens of OSNews not use it? Are you just content with Firefox or what?


Without exception, every single time I've tried Opera, its user interface drove me insane. Yes, I realize you can customize it to look exactly like <insert browser here>, but why bother? It doesn't in my experience render noticably faster or better than Firefox or anything else I might use, and as such it's simply not worth my time spending hours trying to figure out how to reconfigure it to work the way I want when something else renders everything I visit perfectly and doesn't have the setup overhead.

Edited 2008-03-11 16:24 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

and as such it's simply not worth my time spending hours trying to figure out how to reconfigure it to work the way I want when something else renders everything I visit perfectly and doesn't have the setup overhead.


Bingo.

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johnnysaucepn Member since:
2006-08-22

Then why don't you try and figure out what it is you don't like about it? Seems like nobody can actually answer the question, or any answer they give is "because I'm used to how Firefox does it".

At least Opera can use native Windows controls for it's interface, which makes it smoother and less clunky than FF to use.

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