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Hardware, Embedded Systems Geek.com reviews the ThinkPad X300. "The ThinkPad X300 is an exercise in balance. It's designers were tasked with balancing performance and usability with size and weight and they did an excellent job."
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RE[2]: Design
by arokh on Sun 16th Mar 2008 12:12 UTC in reply to "RE: Design"
arokh
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2008-01-29

It's looking the same as 1995.

Why isn't it trying to be beautiful? Having style is not all about attracting the other sex you know.

Let me assure you, the Thinkpad is ugly. It might look "not ugly" to some, but nowawadays non-geeks use computers as well.

Sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Have you seen all the inconsistencies on the outer shell of these laptops? It has bumps all over, stuff pointing out. I mean, there are plenty of alternatives that have the same specifications and look much better.

Also, did you ever actually use a Thinkpad? Even today, the Lenovo laptops are so loaded to the brink with crap that it is almost not useable. It takes 30 minutes to remove all the unnecessary software that's on there.

These laptops just seem to appeal to businesses that signed a deal with IBM 10 years ago and are scared to death of change.

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RE[3]: Design
by h3rman on Sun 16th Mar 2008 23:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Design"
h3rman Member since:
2006-08-09

Let me assure you, the Thinkpad is ugly. It might look "not ugly" to some, but nowawadays non-geeks use computers as well.


Well, uh, that's just your, opinion, man.

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RE[3]: Design
by polaris20 on Mon 17th Mar 2008 14:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Design"
polaris20 Member since:
2005-07-06

It's looking the same as 1995.

Why isn't it trying to be beautiful? Having style is not all about attracting the other sex you know.


I think that they're more concerned with form following function, and making a fantastic laptop. They succeeded.

Let me assure you, the Thinkpad is ugly. It might look "not ugly" to some, but nowawadays non-geeks use computers as well.


Thanks for your opinion.

Sounds harsh, but it's the truth.


No, it's the opinion of a person who clearly hasn't used a Thinkpad for any length of time.

Have you seen all the inconsistencies on the outer shell of these laptops? It has bumps all over, stuff pointing out. I mean, there are plenty of alternatives that have the same specifications and look much better.


First of all, you're exaggerating. Any "bump" or inconsistency is there for a reason. Second, you clearly have never had to support laptops before if you think that specifications are all that matter when comparing laptops. Build quality, support, and design all factor into what makes a great laptop, or computer in general.

Also, did you ever actually use a Thinkpad? Even today, the Lenovo laptops are so loaded to the brink with crap that it is almost not useable. It takes 30 minutes to remove all the unnecessary software that's on there.


I agree with you, they do come with a lot of crap. Just like Sony, HP, Dell, and Gateway. The best solution for all of them is to reformat, or re-image.

These laptops just seem to appeal to businesses that signed a deal with IBM 10 years ago and are scared to death of change.


No, they appeal to businesses and individual users alike that value solid construction, great performance and great service.

Am I biased? Certainly. I love my T61p and wouldn't trade it for anything, and I love the fact that at least with the Thinkpads here in the office, I won't constantly be placing service calls for replacement parts like I do with the HPs and Dells.

But I give my opinion with the experience of supporting HP, Dell, and Sony for the past 7 years at various companies.

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RE[3]: Design
by StephenBeDoper on Mon 17th Mar 2008 19:04 in reply to "RE[2]: Design"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Why isn't it trying to be beautiful?


Why in the world *would* it?

Having style is not all about attracting the other sex you know.


But since you haven't offered a single practical reason why style is essential in this context, then we should... just take your word for it? Or perhaps we should just guess wildly?

Let me assure you, the Thinkpad is ugly.


So... let's see if I understand. You're saying that it's incredibly significant that the Thinkpad is "ugly," yet you can't explain WHY it's significant - or qualify your assertion that it's ugly.

You haven't even given a single example of a laptop that you think *is* stylish / "not ugly". So why should anyone take your assurances the least bit seriously?

It might look "not ugly" to some, but nowawadays non-geeks use computers as well.


So subjective aesthetic whims/sensibilities are terribly important - but only those of non-geeks?

Sounds harsh, but it's the truth.


No, it sounds like yet another amateur "backseat design expert" who can't distinguish between subjective taste and objective fact.

The statements you've made so far can be boiled down to nothing more than "I don't know art, but I know what I hate (even if I can't give any actual specific reasons)."

Also, did you ever actually use a Thinkpad?


Um, yes. Was I excessively-subtle when I wrote that I've owned two of them, or should I have specified that they were used as computers (rather than, say, paperweights)?

Even today, the Lenovo laptops are so loaded to the brink with crap that it is almost not useable.


So the "style" of a piece of hardware is now defined by the software that it's pre-loaded with? That's some very interesting.... oh, let's say "reasoning."

And you *do* realize that massive amounts of pre-loaded crap is the status quo when it comes to OEM Windows PCs, right?

These laptops just seem to appeal to businesses that signed a deal with IBM 10 years ago and are scared to death of change.


That's possibly the most facile statement you've posted so far. You don't have to look any further than this comment thread to find less-simplistic reasons why someone would choose a Thinkpad.

If people want to make computer purchasing decisions primarily based on the exterior appearance, they're perfectly free to. But I, for one, am glad that there's still at least one line of portables meant to appeal to people who consider utility, functionality, serviceability, etc, as more important than aesthetics.

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