Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Mar 2008 21:49 UTC
Editorial "I used KDE as my primary desktop from 1996 through 2006, when I installed the GNOME version of Ubuntu and found that I liked it better than the KDE desktop I'd faced every morning for so many years. Last January, I got a new Dell Latitude D630 laptop and decided to install Kubuntu on it, but within a few weeks, I went back to GNOME. Does this mean GNOME is now a better desktop than KDE, or just that I have become so accustomed to GNOME that it's hard for me to give it up?"
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RE: It's the applications
by pinky on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 14:30 UTC in reply to "It's the applications"
pinky
Member since:
2005-07-15

>think someone should try the KDE and Gnome equivalent applications and find which ones he likes best.
e.g. K3B vs Gnome Baker...


i have done it and the winner was... no one!

For me CD/DVD burning apps are one of the big mistakes in the software world!

At the time the first CD recorder came up people started to ask "how do i use it" and the first reaction was "write a application". But in my eye this was a mistake. We don't have a special app to write to a floppy, we don't have a spcial app to write to a memory-stick, we don't have a special app to write to a memory-card, etc. So why should we have a special app to write to a CD/DVD?

Writing to a CD/DVD should be as normal as writing to any other storage. This means: burn files to a CD/DVD? Use the filemanager. Burn a Audio-CD? User your Jukebox. Burn a Video? Use your Video app. etc.

GNOME is going this way: You can burn your data right from nautilus without open an extra app and you can burn your music directly from rhythmbox without open an extra app.

Sure the current GNOME solution is far away from beeing complete and perfect. But i'm sure that's the right way to go. An extra app to burn CD/DVD is a basic design error. This should happen where the data are like for any other stoarge medium too.

Edited 2008-03-22 14:31 UTC

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RE[2]: It's the applications
by Sophotect on Sat 22nd Mar 2008 17:04 in reply to "RE: It's the applications"
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2006-04-26
RE[2]: It's the applications
by leos on Sun 23rd Mar 2008 00:16 in reply to "RE: It's the applications"
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2005-09-21

At the time the first CD recorder came up people started to ask "how do i use it" and the first reaction was "write a application". But in my eye this was a mistake. We don't have a special app to write to a floppy, we don't have a spcial app to write to a memory-stick, we don't have a special app to write to a memory-card, etc. So why should we have a special app to write to a CD/DVD?


Because writing to a CD is more complicated than either a floppy, hard drive, or USB disk. Now I have no objection to integrating CD burning into a file manager, to allow people to put a couple files on a CD quickly, but that does not negate the need for a dedicated burning app. You still need to be able to burn CD images, you need to be able to set options like disk at once or similar, you need the ability to burn video discs, etc.

Writing to a CD/DVD should be as normal as writing to any other storage. This means: burn files to a CD/DVD? Use the filemanager. Burn a Audio-CD? User your Jukebox. Burn a Video? Use your Video app. etc.


Awesome. So now we need every application to be a jack of all trades. No thanks, I don't want my video player to be a burning program as well. Even if one video player had that capability, not all of them would, so you still need a burning app. I like my apps to be reasonably lightweight. I play music all day, and burn a CD maybe once a year. Definitely doesn't justify the extra bloat, both code and UI wise.

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RE[3]: It's the applications
by thewolf on Sun 23rd Mar 2008 02:35 in reply to "RE[2]: It's the applications"
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2007-12-27

No you don't need every application to be the jack of all trades, you just need Nautilus.

Rhythmbox is a special case, and using it to burn a CD makes quite a lot of sense and cuts down on much of the fuss.

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RE[3]: It's the applications
by pinky on Sun 23rd Mar 2008 12:56 in reply to "RE[2]: It's the applications"
pinky Member since:
2005-07-15


Because writing to a CD is more complicated than either a floppy, hard drive, or USB disk. Now I have no objection to integrating CD burning into a file manager, to allow people to put a couple files on a CD quickly, but that does not negate the need for a dedicated burning app. You still need to be able to burn CD images, you need to be able to set options like disk at once or similar, you need the ability to burn video discs, etc.


you don't need a special burning app...
burn a image? Right click on the image -> burn to CD; Done!
options? A small dialog which ask you the necessary questions.
video discs? As i said: Do it from the video-player or/and give the filemanager a special option where you can define Data-CD or Video-CD if only video files are in the "burn window".



Awesome. So now we need every application to be a jack of all trades.


No you just need one burning-library and use it from every app you need it. Like you have gstreamer, phone, etc. which you use from every app that needs e.g. sound support.

Edited 2008-03-23 12:59 UTC

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