Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 5th May 2008 17:12 UTC, submitted by Dale Smoker
OpenSolaris 2008.5, the new distribution based on the OpenSolaris operating system, has been released into the wild. This release follows the conventions set by many of the popular Linux distributions, such as being based on a single live CD with installer, but also adds a load of OpenSolaris-specific features such as ZFS, DTrace, Containers, and a new package management system, IPS. OpenSolaris 2008.5 is the fruit of Project Indiana.
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The plain and simple reason of teaching users the fundamentals of using a system. Majority of the problems faced by computer systems users today would be solved with a little education.
If a system doesn't use the backspace to delete text then it is dead in the water. End of story. If you have to teach a user that that kind of 'fundamental' isn't what they think it is then you're in trouble.
Hey Solaris. Welcome to all the stuff Linux distros have learned over the past ten years (and how far they still have to go) ;-). It's an interesting ride.
You are assuming it is a problem and not just a user preference.
Oh dear.
Linux has had a shell that does erase on backspace for almost a decade, how much desktop market share has it gained?
More than Solaris, let's put it that way.
Member since:2005-07-07
If a system doesn't use the backspace to delete text then it is dead in the water. End of story. If you have to teach a user that that kind of 'fundamental' isn't what they think it is then you're in trouble.
Please leave your ignorance about Solaris and Sun technologies out and lay down the crack pipe.
Solaris has shipped with tcsh and bash for years now. The default shell has always been the bourne shell. Linux uses bash as the default. The bash that ships with Solaris works the same as the one on linux.
If you are using the command line your should know how to switch your default shell.
The system is not the problem here.
Linux users switch their desktops out and replace it with a million non standard ones like enlightenment etc. Compile the kernel or packages with ./configure and make install. Deal with dependency hell.
Nitpicking about the backspace in the default shell is dubious at best.
New users to linux have to deal with silly stuff just to watch videos on YouTube.
More than Solaris, let's put it that way.
Solaris has just started to compete in the space. When Linux takes over MacOS X's or windows' market share come see me.
That's the problem with Unix and Linux users nitpicking about useless, easy to fix things when the real problems are much larger.
Member since:2008-05-06
"I have been a Unix admin for 20 years (next month) and have watched the damage done by arrogant, RTFM, blame the user attitudes for that entire time. As such attitudes, and associated attitudes which spring from them, held Unix back from its rightful place on the desktop as another OS achieved greater and greater market success in that area. IMO, we can no longer afford to harbor such attitudes.
Unix had a lot more problems than user attitudes that prevented it from making it on the desktop. Linux has had a shell that does erase on backspace for almost a decade, how much desktop market share has it gained? "
You completely missed the point. You said what you said to try and make yourself look cool/smart/whatever and make the other guy look dumb. I am pretty much new to GNU+Linux and Unix, so I can't say I've been able to personally witness this over the last 20 years, but let's just say it's hardly inconceivable that people like yourself have probably forced quite a few people away (from *nix) over the years (potential developers and users). It has nothing to do with having backspace delete characters to the left in the default terminal...
Member since:2005-07-07
You completely missed the point. You said what you said to try and make yourself look cool/smart/whatever and make the other guy look dumb. I am pretty much new to GNU+Linux and Unix, so I can't say I've been able to personally witness this over the last 20 years, but let's just say it's hardly inconceivable that people like yourself have probably forced quite a few people away (from *nix) over the years (potential developers and users). It has nothing to do with having backspace delete characters to the left in the default terminal...
I believe in recommending the right tool for the job. If someone is better suited to Windows or a Mac, i'd recommend that. If linux fits someone's needs that would be fine to.
I agree that the backspace key has nothing to do with driving people way from a platform nor is the opinion of a group of people. People are driven away from stuff that doesn't meet their needs.
As I explained IBM, Apple and the personal computing industry decided to use a different OS for personal computer industry other than Unix. Why they chose to so has nothing to do with attitudes of Unix users or backspace keys.
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Please ask yourself what constructive reason there was to say such a thing.
The plain and simple reason of teaching users the fundamentals of using a system. Majority of the problems faced by computer systems users today would be solved with a little education.
You don't just give a kid,learning to ride for the the first time, a bike and tell him/her to go around a block for a spin, do you? You don't just hop on your bike and compete in the tour de france without training. How about when some one decides they want to drive? Similarly even if you know how to drive you just can't expect a person to drive around a race track.
If a person decides to use the shell on a Unix/linux systems they should at least know the basics of how to set shell properties.
Why? Why is it any more unreasonable than rm not moving a file to the trash can/recycle bin? The desktop environment has that as the mechanism for deleting a file why shouldn't the shell in 2008?
You are assuming it is a problem and not just a user preference.
Unix had a lot more problems than user attitudes that prevented it from making it on the desktop. Linux has had a shell that does erase on backspace for almost a decade, how much desktop market share has it gained?