Linked by Adam S on Thu 19th Jun 2008 14:47 UTC, submitted by M-Saunders
SuSE, openSUSE A new major release of Novell's community-supported distro openSUSE 11 is now available and can be downloaded from the mirrors. Linux Format has a hands-on look at the new installer, SLAB menu and Compiz Fusion, and weighs up whether the distro can fight competition from Ubuntu and Fedora. Is this the start of a new era for SUSE?
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RE[3]: Comment by satan666
by TLZ_ on Thu 19th Jun 2008 16:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by satan666"
TLZ_
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2007-02-05

Mono can help people port over their .net apps they're writing on Windows. A lot of what's stopping some bussineses from crossing the OS-border is that they have software written in .NET.

Wine doesen't help here. Mono does.

Futhermore: we need a usable, good, RAD-dev enviroment. Java doesen't seem to quite provide that(although it is meant to). We are now seeing a lot of apps that we without Mono probably wouldn't have. Also: it attracts .net devs from the Windows plattform. And not least: Mono/.NET is interesting in it's own right. It's made from the ground up to support several languages. (Java does support other languages, but it wasn't designet for that to begin with.)

Now I think a lot of native GNOME-dev could be done better with Vala or Python rather than C#, but Mono seems to really help alot of devs chunk out cool apps. That's a good thing, isn't it? Take F-Spot or Tomboy, I can't think of really similar app for Linux.

The best thing to do if you're not satisfied with the Mono-situation. Shut the f--k up and write a better alternative than F-Spot/Tomboy/Banshee/etc. If it is better people will use that instead and distros will ship that instead. That's the great thing about OSS!

And as others have commented: Novell support more than just Mono! Evolution and Compiz for instance.

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RE[4]: Comment by satan666
by evangs on Thu 19th Jun 2008 17:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by satan666"
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2005-07-07

Mono can help people port over their .net apps they're writing on Windows. A lot of what's stopping some bussineses from crossing the OS-border is that they have software written in .NET.


The sad thing is that just as the Mono team come up with a fairly usable implementation of Winforms, Microsoft deprecates it and starts pushing WPF. I'm not saying that the two are linked, but seeing as they are always going to be playing catch-up with the latest and greatest from Redmond, it is going to find very limited use.

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RE[5]: Comment by satan666
by TLZ_ on Thu 19th Jun 2008 19:07 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by satan666"
TLZ_ Member since:
2007-02-05

You're underestimating how conservative businesses can be.

We're I'm working they're still using .NET 2.0 and probably will for a good while.

The only thing they've found interesting about WPF is Silverlight, which they decided to not delve into until a couple of years.

You're partly right of course, but it's better than nothing, eh?

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RE[4]: Comment by satan666
by segedunum on Thu 19th Jun 2008 22:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by satan666"
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2005-07-06

Mono can help people port over their .net apps they're writing on Windows. A lot of what's stopping some bussineses from crossing the OS-border is that they have software written in .NET.

Wine doesen't help here. Mono does.

I think you'll find that the vast majority of Windows applications out there, both internal and shrink wrapped, are COM and Win32 based - despite Microsoft's pleas for us all to rewrite perfectly working applications in .Net for zero return on investment, and to blow both our legs off by using a ton of pointless technologies pulled straight out of an MSDN magazine. Just because they're so cool. Really, they are.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html

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RE[5]: Comment by satan666
by TLZ_ on Fri 20th Jun 2008 07:42 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by satan666"
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2007-02-05

Well, alot of internal stuff is actually written in Access(No joke!) many places. (Yes I know, it sounds crazy!)

Since Microsoft seems to be slowly killing Access(+ SQL Server) as a low-end dev plattform(not really sure you could even call it that, but it's being used that way anyway...). Becase of this many are writing their clients in other stuff, and very often this is .NET

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RE[4]: Comment by satan666
by Steniko on Thu 19th Jun 2008 23:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by satan666"
Steniko Member since:
2008-04-21

Take F-Spot or Tomboy, I can't think of really similar app for Linux.


LOL.

Yes mono apps are *sooo great*. I never heard of picasa or digikam. I never heard of tagore or basket notes. I never knew that the flagship mono application, beagle, got removed from gnome and replaced with tracker. Whats that you say? Banshee? Perhaps you might like to investigate rhythmbox, exaile or Amarok.

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RE[5]: Comment by satan666
by TLZ_ on Fri 20th Jun 2008 07:45 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by satan666"
TLZ_ Member since:
2007-02-05

Isn't Picasa a frontend for Google's online service with some basic image manipulation thrown in? (Correct me if I'm wrong here.)

And digiKam doesen't sport a time-based way of navigating your photos like F-Spot does. (iPhoto inspired if I'm not mistaken.)

I never said those apps where great. The only Mono-app I actually use is Gnome-do. Beagle? I didn't mention it. Be carefull with your assumptions.

Even though I don't like the mono apps personaly I'm able to see that they're useful to a lot of people. That can't be a bad thing?

Now, since Java is now OSS I guess it's better to make stuff in Java if you're actually creating a new app and want it to write it in managed language.

If I'm playing music locally(or want to put music on a iPod) I do actually use Rythmbox. ;)
(But currently I'm more into using mpd/Sonata)

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