Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Jun 2008 12:07 UTC
Linux A constant thorn in the eye of many Linux kernel developers is the existence of closed-source kernel modules, most notably those by Nvidia and Ati, but also some file system drivers and other elements. Most of the Linux developers have been against these modules ever since they were first used, and in fact, bug reports originating from a tainted kernel are often disregarded and ignored. The kernel developers have now rallied together by issuing a statement urging vendors to release open source Linux kernel modules and drivers.
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RE[2]: I don't care
by klimg on Tue 24th Jun 2008 13:56 UTC in reply to "RE: I don't care"
klimg
Member since:
2007-08-03

If they just don't feel like it they should be made feeling like it in the name of freedom of choice.

This is a disturbing trend lately.Freedom is defined by a bunch of people and who doesn't like their definition of freedom ought to be shot on sight.

Might be the same people that praised Nvidia years back for supplying good drivers for Linux when nobody else did.

As for practicality:

With the current state of xorg I rather exercise my freedom to use a binary nvidia driver.

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RE[3]: I don't care
by google_ninja on Tue 24th Jun 2008 14:05 in reply to "RE[2]: I don't care"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

If they just don't feel like it they should be made feeling like it in the name of freedom of choice.

This is a disturbing trend lately.Freedom is defined by a bunch of people and who doesn't like their definition of freedom ought to be shot on sight.

Might be the same people that praised Nvidia years back for supplying good drivers for Linux when nobody else did.

As for practicality:

With the current state of xorg I rather exercise my freedom to use a binary nvidia driver.


Dude, you took the words out of my mouth. I have seen more and more on the web about forcing people into the GPL with laws, and it disturbs the hell out of me.

I used to think Atlas Shrugged was a load of crap, I don't know if it is because I am just getting older and my views are changing, but I keep seeing more and more of it going on in the world.

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RE[4]: I don't care
by AdamW on Wed 25th Jun 2008 07:09 in reply to "RE[3]: I don't care"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

Yeah...enforcing the license a piece of software was released under? THAT'S COMMIE TALK!

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RE[4]: I don't care
by Redeeman on Wed 25th Jun 2008 13:43 in reply to "RE[3]: I don't care"
Redeeman Member since:
2006-03-23

i didnt say they should release any code, merely documentation allowing ME, and others, to write code..

stop trying to distort it into forcing gpl..

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RE[4]: I don't care
by Redeeman on Wed 25th Jun 2008 13:46 in reply to "RE[3]: I don't care"
Redeeman Member since:
2006-03-23

i didnt say they should release any code, merely documentation allowing ME, and others, to write code..

stop trying to distort it into that "forcing people to GPL"

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RE[3]: I don't care
by blacklistme on Tue 24th Jun 2008 17:54 in reply to "RE[2]: I don't care"
blacklistme Member since:
2007-07-16

Sorry, but that is what called free market. And all the companies want to be in a free market, because that would be the best ever. Now that the tables are being turned and they find out what it really means they start to cry. They starting to realize that free market also means that others can choose for you.

So yes I choose against NVidia by not buying there products and going for supplier who're willing to comply to my demands. One of them is that I want developers to have access to documentation to write a driver. Please note that I'm not saying I'm demanding a driver from NVidia for example.

And to be honest I'm not unhappy to make GPL my golden standard. It has been for over 12 years now and I never felt sorry. It really saved my ass over the years and people near to me are slowly starting to see what I have been talking and doing about. Freedom is more than only code and its something worth fighting for, but in the end you'll benefit.

Like I'm now having hardware with almost endless software support, or not being monitored will I download new versions of the software I use, or not being forced into buying a new version of Office/Operating System. But also not losing my data since it has been placed behind walls of closed standards, dead code, IP lawsuits.

If that is the price I have to pay to use a driver that gives me 60 FPS instead of 65 FPS then it will be. I'm not going for any short term pleasure when I can get long term happiness. This is one to think about and I advice you to think about it. Making the choice is difficult when you start, but it is rewarding I can assure you. It will also change your life and thinking more then you may expect.

Just my 2 cents

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RE[4]: I don't care
by sargek on Tue 24th Jun 2008 17:57 in reply to "RE[3]: I don't care"
sargek Member since:
2007-07-12

Very well said!

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RE[4]: I don't care
by google_ninja on Tue 24th Jun 2008 20:59 in reply to "RE[3]: I don't care"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Sorry, but that is what called free market. And all the companies want to be in a free market, because that would be the best ever. Now that the tables are being turned and they find out what it really means they start to cry. They starting to realize that free market also means that others can choose for you.


The free market is letting market forces decide where the market goes. What the origional poster was talking about is making it illegal to not choose GPL.

I have no problem with linux (been using it on and off for almost 8 years now), or open source (i frequently contribute patches to the open source libraries I use). I think both are fantastic, and it is great to have an alternative eco-system in the software world. I don't even have a problem with legislation around open standards for file formats in governments for publicly owned documents and information.

I have HUGE problems with legislation around making the GPL mandatory, as I believe that it is completely inappropriate for large segments of the industry. Let open source compete on its own merits, those merits are there and they are valuable.

In a free market you vote with your dollar. Send NVidia an email letting them know they lost you as a customer because of how they chose not to release a free version of their driver. If enough people do that, they will open up their source. That is a free market at work.

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