Linked by David Adams on Wed 2nd Jul 2008 16:11 UTC, submitted by elsewhere
KDE "After the recent release KDE 4.1 beta 2 and openSUSE 11 with KDE 4.0.4, some critics have been especially vocal in expressing their displeasure with the KDE 4 user interface paradigms. The debate has grown increasingly caustic as critics and supporters engage in a war of words over the technology. The controversy has escalated to the point where some users are now advocating a fork in order to move forward the old KDE 3.5 UI paradigms. As an observer who has closely studied each new release of KDE 4, I'm convinced that the fork rhetoric is an absurdly unproductive direction for this debate."
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by boudewijn on Wed 2nd Jul 2008 17:16 UTC in reply to "..."
boudewijn
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2006-03-05

Well, Manuma -- grow up then, and start working on the fork you desire. Join forces with Vaughan-Nichols and anyone else who wants something different.

You can choose -- continue developing KDE3 against Qt3 -- by the way, a KDE 3.5.10 release seems likely anyway.

Or you can start with the ported-but-not-yet refactored state of KDE4. Just pull it out of subversion. The only thing that you need to do is to find a few mates and start working. If you do this, you need to find a nice new name for your project, of course, but that's just basic courtesy someone as grown-up as you is surely capable of.

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by tyrione on Wed 2nd Jul 2008 18:43 in reply to "RE: ..."
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

Well, Manuma -- grow up then, and start working on the fork you desire. Join forces with Vaughan-Nichols and anyone else who wants something different.

You can choose -- continue developing KDE3 against Qt3 -- by the way, a KDE 3.5.10 release seems likely anyway.

Or you can start with the ported-but-not-yet refactored state of KDE4. Just pull it out of subversion. The only thing that you need to do is to find a few mates and start working. If you do this, you need to find a nice new name for your project, of course, but that's just basic courtesy someone as grown-up as you is surely capable of.


One can always write straight Qt applications and move forward with the Qt4.5/4.6 with 64bit Qt Cocoa to have native OS X applications native Linux applications, not to mention native Windows applications.

There are options.

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by Richard Dale on Wed 2nd Jul 2008 18:51 in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
Richard Dale Member since:
2005-07-22

One can always write straight Qt applications and move forward with the Qt4.5/4.6 with 64bit Qt Cocoa to have native OS X applications native Linux applications, not to mention native Windows applications.

There are options.


Yes, indeed. But with KDE 4.x you can write native applications for Windows, Mac OS X, BSD*, Linux etc too. You can use KDE frameworks like Decibel, Solid, Plasma, Nepomuk and Akonadi that greatly enhance and build on the excellent Qt4 libs foundation.

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by boudewijn on Wed 2nd Jul 2008 18:58 in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
boudewijn Member since:
2006-03-05

"There are options."

There are always options. But I bet Manuma isn't going to avail himself of them, for all his bluster. Besides, writing a pure-Qt application doesn't do anything for the desktop.

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