Linked by Amjith Ramanujam on Thu 24th Jul 2008 04:32 UTC, submitted by snydeq
Linux Mark Shuttleworth today urged development of Linux models to rival what Apple has done on the desktop and mobile devices. Certainly on the desktop experience, we need to shoot beyond the Mac, but I think it's equally relevant [in] the mobile space, Shuttleworth said, outlining the challenge as figuring out how to deliver a 'crisp and clean' experience, without sacrificing the community process. Key to this will be services-based mechanisms for creating revenue for free software that go beyond advertising, Shuttleworth said, adding that cadence in free software releases spurs innovation, and that a regular release schedule, as well as meaningful ties to Windows, will be essential to fulfilling the vision.
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Easier said than done
by danieldk on Thu 24th Jul 2008 07:12 UTC
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It's easier said than done. Moving the desktop forward to something that Apple provides requires focus and a lot of development time. It's something that can only be bought through hiring full-time employees (nobody is going to build great frameworks in little time in their spare time, or do detailed UI/usability work).

The problem with this is margins. If you are going after the consumer desktop, you'll have a problem, because the margins are very small. Very few consumers would be willing to pay more than say 50 dollars a year for a Linux distribution with support. Imagine how quickly that money is burnt on just support. And there's an inherent problem here: people who don't needs support won't buy it since the code is free, people who do need support and will probably use it are the only ones to buy.

The advantage that Microsoft and Apple have here is bundling. They get a buck of every machine where their OS is used, no matter if you are completely incompetent in using computers or if you write compilers in your spare time.

Maybe one possible road around this is to focus on the desktop in businesses. But then again, Novell and Red Hat have provided this for years, but they are probably making their lion's share off server usage.

The primary area outside the server where I can see Linux succeed in the shorter term is smartphones. Linux is open, has no vendor lockin for whoever produces or sells a phone/subscription, and usually no support is required. Besides that, the scope is much smaller, no one expects a full office suite or video editing program on their phone.

RE: Easier said than done
by da_Chicken on Thu 24th Jul 2008 15:07 in reply to "Easier said than done"
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2006-01-01

Moving the desktop forward to something that Apple provides requires focus and a lot of development time. It's something that can only be bought through hiring full-time employees (nobody is going to build great frameworks in little time in their spare time, or do detailed UI/usability work).

KDE developers are doing exactly that with KDE4. And apparently no-one pays them big cash for doing it.

You are right, though, that this kind of enterprise takes time. The user interface of KDE4 is not quite ready yet but the underlying frameworks look most promising.

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RE[2]: Easier said than done
by Panajev on Thu 24th Jul 2008 16:07 in reply to "RE: Easier said than done"
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2008-01-09

KDE developers are doing exactly that with KDE4. And apparently no-one pays them big cash for doing it.


True, many (if not like 99.98% of them I'd guess) KDE developers are not paid to work full time on KDE4 and its UI.

It goes without saying that OSX has had the consistent, smooth, and pleasing UI (and related application frameworks and services) for several years now while KDE4 is still quite far away from delivering the "real KDE4" experience completely bug free and speed optimized (OSX behaves and looks great on integrated Intel GPU's).

I do hope that Nokia's purchase of Trolltech helps Qt mature even faster and all that work can be reflected nicely in KDE (it would be nice if Nokia took interest in KDE's development and hired a few programmers and artists to work on it full-time [KDE could scale to smartphones and MID's quite nicely with all the work on SVG they are doing]).

Edited 2008-07-24 16:09 UTC

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