Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Aug 2008 12:10 UTC, submitted by judgen
Linux As we all know by now, netbooks are the latest craze in the computing world. Small notebooks, perfect for on the go, and relatively cheap. The interesting thing is that these netbooks are often offered with Linux pre-installed instead of Windows, and this prompts many to believe that it is the netbook niche where Linux will gain its first solid foothold among the general populace. "It does a lot to level the playing field. In fact, Linux looks to be quick out of the gate," said Jay Lyman, analyst with the 451 Group. However - is that really happening?
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Comment by lemur2
by lemur2 on Wed 13th Aug 2008 12:38 UTC
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2007-02-17

I firmly believe that many, many of the Linux netbooks are in fact turned into Windows XP netbooks. In other words, it is hard to say just how many netbooks are out there running Linux.


Interesting.

Are you aware of the emerging evidence that Linux versions of these netbooks are out-selling Windows versions?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc

In some recent news about netbooks it transpired that one model (I think it was an EEEPC) had been produced 50% Linux and 50% Windows, and the Linux versions had sold out but there were still plenty of Windows machines available.

For the significant majority of machines sold the OS will not be changed for the life of the machine. Most people do not have the ability or the confidence to install a different OS.

PS: As far as more general machines go, this is an interesting development:

http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/08/11/select-dell-notebooks-now-...

Edited 2008-08-13 12:40 UTC

RE: Comment by lemur2
by hobgoblin on Wed 13th Aug 2008 13:22 in reply to "Comment by lemur2"
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

hell, most will ask a geek friend or relative to run the recovery media that came with the machine. or even pay the company that made it or someone that work where they got it to do the same.

these locked down mini-laptops are in a way exactly the same as the original iphone. a friendly set of icons on the front, ready to be used.

want somewhere safe to store your work files? get a memory card to stick and put it in there, end of story.

its kinda like one have come full circle with the memory cards acting as the floppy and the mini-laptop taking over for the C64...

but then i have long been voicing the opinion that many would be more happy typewriter with a net connection then a full blown computer. the modern computer just have to many hidden tasks and complexity. and that its connected to a whole world of other, equally complex machines dont help.

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RE: Comment by lemur2
by darknexus on Wed 13th Aug 2008 13:38 in reply to "Comment by lemur2"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Interesting.
Are you aware of the emerging evidence that Linux versions of these netbooks are out-selling Windows versions?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc

In some recent news about netbooks it transpired that one model (I think it was an EEEPC) had been produced 50% Linux and 50% Windows, and the Linux versions had sold out but there were still plenty of Windows machines available.

For the significant majority of machines sold the OS will not be changed for the life of the machine. Most people do not have the ability or the confidence to install a different OS.

PS: As far as more general machines go, this is an interesting development:

http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/08/11/select-dell-notebooks-now-...


This is exactly why I believe sales figures really never tell the story of how many users are using any platform. There's a couple reasons I can think of that people would buy the Linux version:
* For Linux, obviously
* You can sometimes get more bang for the buck buying the Linux models, case in point being the EEE PC 901. The XP version comes with a total of 12gb of SSD, the Linux version is 20gb total. That's 8 more gb for the same price. Many people will simply see that and won't look at the operating system it's running because honestly, consumers for the most part don't care. And, as long as the provided Linux does everything they need, they probably won't feel the need to change it. A lot of people are looking at these not as computers, but as appliances like their cel phones. If you ask an ordinary consumer what operating system their cel phone's running, they wouldn't be able to tell you. I think in a lot of cases the same is beginning to apply to these netbooks.
Still, there's no way of knowing how many users install Windows on their netbook, or pay someone to do it. I think that the netbook market may be one area where Linux may eventually gain a hold, but it won't be desktop linux that gets it, and that's an important distinction. The consumer who's seeing Linux is not seeing SuSE, Ubuntu, or Fedora, even if Linpus (yick, what a name) is based on Fedora. The end users see the desktop, and it's not Fedora's desktop. It's not even Linpus's desktop. It's a manufacturer-customized interface, with each netbook being different. This, in my mind, contributes to the appliance feel for most people rather than the computer feel.
So, is Linux gaining a foothold here? Possibly. But due to the nature of these pre-installed distros, don't expect Desktop usage to skyrocket, even if every netbook bought with Linux keeps running it. These custom distros are optimized to fit the hardware exactly, and to make using the netbook easier. Simple as that. The experience they have with Linux on a netbook is not going to be what they get on the desktop. The same kind of users who need to install XP are the same kind of users who need to install a standard Linux distro--they either have specific needs, or just want a standard environment.

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RE: Comment by lemur2
by Zerix01 on Thu 14th Aug 2008 12:59 in reply to "Comment by lemur2"
Zerix01 Member since:
2007-07-26

Even if a large group of netbook owners have installed Windows on their device, how many actually paid for a new copy of XP rather than just installing one they already had? So Microsoft would not be getting paid for another license but the Linux distro of choice for that device would be. This is the same effect as buying a computer with Windows installed then wiping it out for Linux but never trying to get your money back for your Windows license. I would also like to point out you can find tons of information on and people asking questions about getting Linux installed on their computers that once had windows. Apparently this only adds up to about 4% of the users, maybe it's the same figure for netbooks.

Ultimately just like in the PC world most systems sold with Windows stay with Windows installed. I'm sure most Linux netbooks sold will always have Linux installed.

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RE: Comment by lemur2
by mrnagrom on Sat 16th Aug 2008 14:31 in reply to "Comment by lemur2"
mrnagrom Member since:
2008-08-13

thats because people are getting them cheap and installing windows xp on them.. borf.

i didn't want vista so i bought a crapbuntu dell... used it for a while, realized drivers were an afterthought when my sound stopped working and nobody could fix it..... installed xp and it's all good.

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