Linked by Adam S on Tue 26th Aug 2008 21:32 UTC, submitted by Moulinneuf
Internet Explorer "Poor Microsoft. This week, the Redmond, Wash., giant is gearing up for the next big release of its Web browser, a leap from Internet Explorer 7 to IE 8. When open-source competitor Mozilla released its last update of Firefox in June, the Web went wild: People downloaded more than 8 million copies in 24 hours. Microsoft's release might not have such a frat party feel. Even as it gears up to release IE 8, the developers behind the Firefox Web browser are experimenting with a new technology that sharpens the threat their browser software poses to Microsoft's most valuable businesses. The new technology, dubbed TraceMonkey, promises to speed up Firefox's ability to deliver complex applications." While many have abandoned Microsoft's browser offerings, Microsoft will be introducing an innovative new type of selective privacy mode called InPrivate with IE8.
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RE: Browser War II?
by lemur2 on Wed 27th Aug 2008 02:32 UTC in reply to "Browser War II?"
lemur2
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2007-02-17

Lot of talk here about the rekindling of the browser wars. Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see it. 80% of the population is going to use IE simply because it come installed on Windows. They just don't care.


Firefox usage alone is already over 20%.

The usage of IE6 is in decline, and the uptake of Firefox is currently higher than IE7 and increasing at faster rate.

Now on the off chance that either Linux or Mac become the dominate OS or Website start requiring Firefox, Opera, Safari, etc. you might see another browser war that includes Microsoft, but both scenarios are unlikely to happen anytime in the next five years. I personally prefer Firefox and Opera, but Safari isn't all that bad. IE 8 is far better than previous versions, but still seems outdated (big surprise).


Firefox, Opera, Safari, etc are all converging on a common set of standards. For example, they all comply with Acid2 and all have far better compliance with Acid3 than does IE. IE does not even render SVG, for example, and its implementation of Javascript is out of kilter with the rest.

So it is more a case, in any potential future re-incarnation of "browser wars" to be a case of the "W3C-compliant allies" (goodies) versus IE (baddies). Websites written to the standards will render fine on all of the others but may very well have trouble only on IE.

Javascript becoming fast will mean that Ajax will be able to handle complex web applications as well as silverlight, but not require any proprietary extensions and work on all browser (but probably least well on IE).

Since Firefox on Windows is clearly by far a better browser than IE on Windows, as is Safari and Opera, this "war" is by no means the forgone conclusion that you seem to imply it is.

Edited 2008-08-27 02:45 UTC

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RE[2]: Browser War II?
by sb56637 on Wed 27th Aug 2008 03:55 in reply to "RE: Browser War II?"
sb56637 Member since:
2006-05-11

So it is more a case, in any potential future re-incarnation of "browser wars" to be a case of the "W3C-compliant allies" (goodies) versus IE (baddies). Websites written to the standards will render fine on all of the others but may very well have trouble only on IE.

Standards compliance is all well and good. Now the trick is for all the browsers to gain non-standards compliance for all of the frustrating but unavoidable sites designed for IE's idiosyncrasies.

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RE[3]: Browser War II?
by Kroc on Wed 27th Aug 2008 08:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Browser War II?"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Marketshare is more of a solution for that then making browsers work with broken code. Firefox is up to 50% in a couple of countries, up to 30% in Europe. Any company making a site that doesn't work with Firefox these days are shooting themselves in the foot.

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RE[2]: Browser War II?
by tomcat on Thu 28th Aug 2008 01:20 in reply to "RE: Browser War II?"
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2006-01-06

Firefox usage alone is already over 20%.

The usage of IE6 is in decline, and the uptake of Firefox is currently higher than IE7 and increasing at faster rate.


You say that like it's an established fact. Hint: It isn't. It's nothing more than pure speculation.

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RE[3]: Browser War II?
by lemur2 on Thu 28th Aug 2008 03:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Browser War II?"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Firefox usage alone is already over 20%. The usage of IE6 is in decline, and the uptake of Firefox is currently higher than IE7 and increasing at faster rate.
You say that like it's an established fact. Hint: It isn't. It's nothing more than pure speculation. "

It is slightly more than simply "pure speculation". All of the various published attempts at measuring "browser market share" agree on those trends. They don't agree on the actual numbers, admittedly, and in fact there is wild variation ... but nevertheless there is strangely enough solid agreement on those particular trends.

Edited 2008-08-28 03:18 UTC

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