Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 3rd Sep 2008 22:49 UTC
Google While Google's new Chrome web browser has been met with a lot of praise and positive responses (well, mostly, at least), there has been one nagging issue that arose quite quickly after people got their hands on Chrome: the End User License Agreement accompanying the browser. It more or less granted Google the rights to everything seen or transmitted through the browser. Google now changed the EULA, saying it was a big case of woopsiedoopsie.
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RE: one naggin issue?
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 3rd Sep 2008 22:59 UTC in reply to "one naggin issue?"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Except for the fact that Opera does TOO MUCH. That's what's been putting people off. "Opera 12 released, washes your laundry!"

Seriously, Opera doesn't gain a lot of market share because it tries to be too much. I want a browser, not an emailtorrentbrowser with a doomsday device built-in. Sure, you an turn it all off, but why go through all that hassle when I can simply download Firefox (or Chrome) and get what I wanted all the time: a webbrowser.

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RE[2]: one naggin issue?
by Decius on Thu 4th Sep 2008 02:51 in reply to "RE: one naggin issue?"
Decius Member since:
2006-01-03

Seriously, Opera doesn't gain a lot of market share because it tries to be too much.


That argument would make sense, if it weren't for the fact that evidence suggests the majority of users want more than a browser. Consider the number of, and popularity of Firefox add-ons and how many people would argue that this is what gives it the edge. As for Opera being more bloated, it is a smaller download, and occupies a smaller footprint once installed, so please tell me what makes it bloated? I'm not saying Opera is perfect, there are issues I would like to see resolved, but I do think that claiming its trouble with being generally adopted is due to its feature-set, or interface is oversimplified and inaccurate.

**As a side point, every customer I've ever introduced to Opera I've also introduced to Firefox, to get them away from IE, and every single one uses Opera as their preferred browser.**

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RE[3]: one naggin issue?
by Squitivarius on Thu 4th Sep 2008 03:00 in reply to "RE[2]: one naggin issue?"
Squitivarius Member since:
2008-09-04

amen.

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RE[3]: one naggin issue?
by Morph on Thu 4th Sep 2008 04:29 in reply to "RE[2]: one naggin issue?"
Morph Member since:
2007-08-20

evidence suggests the majority of users want more than a browser

Would that be the same evidence that says that 85% of people are using Internet Explorer, presumably perfectly happy with it being just a browser?

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It's a philosophy thing
by TLZ_ on Thu 4th Sep 2008 06:52 in reply to "RE[2]: one naggin issue?"
TLZ_ Member since:
2007-02-05

Opera certainly isn't bloated program-wise. If I remember correctly Opera take up less space than vanilla Firefox.

Anyway, the interface is bloated. There's too much options, too much choices, too many menu items.

Opera is the Photoshop of browsers. You can do a thousand things, and all those things you can do in a number of ways.

Now this isn't all bad, and has a lot to do with philosophy. Opera has a philosohpy to provide everyone, *including* powerusers with whatever capability they want.. right out of the box.

And they're very good at it!

Personally I've come to not like this philosophy, but I can't deny that Opera kicks ass at implementing it.

Firefox on the other hand has the philosophy that things should be simple and not overwhelm. That the "base" should only satisify normal users. (And let's face it, most uf here at OSnews are not normal users. We're geeks!) And then provide capability to extend instead.

That being said: I know a number of novices that use Opera. (And no: they don't use ANY of the power-user features, or are aware that they actually have a mail-client, IRC-client and a bitorren client.)

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RE[3]: one naggin issue?
by l3v1 on Thu 4th Sep 2008 11:22 in reply to "RE[2]: one naggin issue?"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

There is a _big_ difference between the addons support in Firefox and Opera: the addon support doesn't make the browser itself bloated, the base is fairly clean and easy, and you only add functionality you want, and you can disable or uninstall them anytime. Basically any user can add their favourite addons and make the browser to their liking. I can't do that with Opera, and that's why I left it a long time ago.

Now with Chrome, granted, it takes ideas from all over the place. But the result is good, if not nice, and hopefully it will only get better, and stay open. Now, if only they'd add real plugin/addon support so people can start porting their addons over, but I don't see any adblocker or noscpriter plugin in Chrome anytime soon, which - besides some other half dozen addons - makes it a no-go for me, at least for the time being.

But, until then, I use it happily for Google's mail and calendar, since they just fly (!) with Chrome.

I'd say they are on the right way, overall.

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RE[3]: one naggin issue?
by cozby on Fri 5th Sep 2008 23:22 in reply to "RE[2]: one naggin issue?"
cozby Member since:
2006-03-08

Yeah but Firefox gives you the browser vanilla with the_OPTION_to add extra features.

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RE[2]: one naggin issue?
by renox on Thu 4th Sep 2008 09:18 in reply to "RE: one naggin issue?"
renox Member since:
2005-07-06

Except for the fact that Opera does TOO MUCH


Uh? I use Opera as a webbrowser, I couldn't care less that it also integrates email/torrent, if memory serves those functionalities cost me the grand total of two clicks to disable them (and a little HDD space)..

People don't use Opera because their marketing|advertising suck, that's all.

I plan to switch to Chrome once I've stress-tested it a little more because I care about open source (but not enough to keep using FF as I found it too unreliable), their page zoom isn't as good as Opera's one though (not sure if it is a deal breaker, I don't use it that often).

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RE[3]: one naggin issue?
by WereCatf on Thu 4th Sep 2008 11:16 in reply to "RE[2]: one naggin issue?"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Uh? I use Opera as a webbrowser, I couldn't care less that it also integrates email/torrent, if memory serves those functionalities cost me the grand total of two clicks to disable them (and a little HDD space)..

I've been trying to find where to disable them but I can't seem to find any way for that O_o

People don't use Opera because their marketing|advertising suck, that's all.

I have tried Opera quite a few times just to see if it's worth the praise the fans give it, but I've always ended up using other browsers. Opera feels too bloated for my taste. I want a browser, not a swiss army knife of various tools.

Anyway, I just downloaded Opera 9.5 and it seems somewhat better than the previous releases. Compared to Chrome it's a tad faster on my machine and scrolling pages feels a whole lot more comfortable. For some reason Chrome skips quite badly when scrolling. Chrome on the other hand has less bloated interface (and I absolutely love the fact that it doesn't have menu!!), it looks better and the starting page is IMHO A LOT better than in Opera. I do definitely like it that my bookmarks are there visible, and that it handles updating itself automatically without me having to keep it in order. Opera may have invented the original idea, but Google made it better.

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RE[2]: one naggin issue?
by -oblio- on Thu 4th Sep 2008 14:16 in reply to "RE: one naggin issue?"
-oblio- Member since:
2008-05-27

Sorry for this, but: LOL?!

The Opera download is smaller than Firefox: 5 MB Opera as opposed to 7 MB Firefox. Their memory and CPU usage is similar. The mail client is 1 (ONE!111!one!!1) entry in a submenu. The RSS client is not in sight too. The Bittorrent client is pretty decent, and easy to disable.

Stop spreading FUD please. Firefox user here ;)

Edited 2008-09-04 14:16 UTC

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