Linked by David Adams on Wed 10th Sep 2008 15:43 UTC, submitted by Michael Larabel
X11, Window Managers It has been one year and four days since X.Org 7.3 was released and a number of months since X.Org 7.4 was supposed to be released, but today X.Org 7.4 is scheduled to finally make it out the door! This release is shipping quite late and with a slimmed down set of features, but in this article we have more details on what this release holds in store for the Linux desktop community and why it may be a short-lived release.
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Xorg 7.4 comes with a whimper...
by abraxas on Wed 10th Sep 2008 16:03 UTC
abraxas
Member since:
2005-07-07

Unfortunately the most exciting technologies that were supposed to be released for Xorg 7.4 were cut from the final release. This is a real disappointment. DRI2, glucose, and randr 1.3 were going to be real visible improvements but we are left with little improvement in the end users eyes with the actual release of 7.4. I have been personally waiting for DRI2 because I have an Intel chip and I use Compiz. EXA perfomance sucks and XAA cannot use XV output without a special plugin for Compiz and a patch for mplayer and then it only works with mplayer. Glucose was going to fill in the gaps between AIGLX and XGL but there hasn't even been any mention of it lately.

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_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Then you'll probably be pleased to know that intel wants to release a special release this year of xserver 1.6 (xorg 7.4 comes with xserver 1.5). That release will have the neat intel features coming up uxa,gem and dri2.

Also as a bonus if Xinput2 is ready in time it will be included, allowing for multipointer X (which is already merged in the main branch).

But generally it is quite annoying that Xorg releases keep getting worse (delays AND feature cuts). It would be nice if linux based companies invested more in X.

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TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

May be a problem with finding quality software engineers. I know Novell/Suse are looking for people and having a tough time finding applicants to work on file systems. May not be the companies at fault, just lack of qualified people.

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GhePeU Member since:
2005-07-06

It would be nice if linux based companies invested more in X.

That's exactly the problem. Development is so fast these days that whole technology get dropped or totally revamped before anyone can stabilize them enough to do a release (see DRI2).

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abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

Then you'll probably be pleased to know that intel wants to release a special release this year of xserver 1.6 (xorg 7.4 comes with xserver 1.5). That release will have the neat intel features coming up uxa,gem and dri2.

I hope this is the case but I don't exactly trust Xorg release schedules. I wouldn't be surprised if we have to wait 6 months to a year until the next version is released, or we will get another intermediate release that lacks many of the features that were promised for xorg 7.4.

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cg0def Member since:
2006-02-12

I second that. I am getting sick of all the empty promises of the xorg team. For the last 3 releases they have promised that certain features will be included and then when the time came the features were delayed ... WTF only MS is allowed to do that ;)

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cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

Unfortunately the most exciting technologies that were supposed to be released for Xorg 7.4 were cut from the final release. This is a real disappointment. DRI2, glucose, and randr 1.3 were going to be real visible improvements but we are left with little improvement in the end users eyes with the actual release of 7.4. I have been personally waiting for DRI2 because I have an Intel chip and I use Compiz. EXA perfomance sucks and XAA cannot use XV output without a special plugin for Compiz and a patch for mplayer and then it only works with mplayer. Glucose was going to fill in the gaps between AIGLX and XGL but there hasn't even been any mention of it lately.


The way you tell it makes it sound as though finished features were cut for no good reason. More accurately, these were unfinished features, buggy features, or features that were finished but dependent on unfinished or buggy features. They were left out because they weren't ready for prime time. Period. If the xorg / xserver folks are guilty of anything here, it is perhaps being a bit too optimistic last year! The fact is these guys have done a stupendous job updating and modernizing X for every day use. I can't wait to implement xorg 7.4 and xserver 1.5 on my Debian system. Great job guys!!!

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abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

"Unfortunately the most exciting technologies that were supposed to be released for Xorg 7.4 were cut from the final release. This is a real disappointment. DRI2, glucose, and randr 1.3 were going to be real visible improvements but we are left with little improvement in the end users eyes with the actual release of 7.4. I have been personally waiting for DRI2 because I have an Intel chip and I use Compiz. EXA perfomance sucks and XAA cannot use XV output without a special plugin for Compiz and a patch for mplayer and then it only works with mplayer. Glucose was going to fill in the gaps between AIGLX and XGL but there hasn't even been any mention of it lately.


The way you tell it makes it sound as though finished features were cut for no good reason. More accurately, these were unfinished features, buggy features, or features that were finished but dependent on unfinished or buggy features. They were left out because they weren't ready for prime time. Period. If the xorg / xserver folks are guilty of anything here, it is perhaps being a bit too optimistic last year! The fact is these guys have done a stupendous job updating and modernizing X for every day use. I can't wait to implement xorg 7.4 and xserver 1.5 on my Debian system. Great job guys!!!
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Great job? How is an incredibly late, feature-cut release great? If MS did something like this people would be howling at the moon. I appreciate the work that has been done but something has to change. The Xorg team has been over promising and under delivering. We need either more realistic time frames or better management. I don't think we have to cheer the developers just because they managed to ship something they deemed "stable", while offering practially none of the benefits touted even 6 months ago nevermind the fact that it was already at least 6 months late then.

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