Linked by David Adams on Wed 10th Sep 2008 15:43 UTC, submitted by Michael Larabel
X11, Window Managers It has been one year and four days since X.Org 7.3 was released and a number of months since X.Org 7.4 was supposed to be released, but today X.Org 7.4 is scheduled to finally make it out the door! This release is shipping quite late and with a slimmed down set of features, but in this article we have more details on what this release holds in store for the Linux desktop community and why it may be a short-lived release.
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FooBarWidget
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2005-11-11

If your goal is to encourage them to do a better job, then whining and complaining is possibly the worst way to achieve that. Everybody likes compliments, nobody likes people who whine and complain. And yet what do people do? They whine and complain when there are problems but say nothing when things are going well.

Think about this.

Don't even get me started on "constructive criticism". Most of the criticisms that I've seen on OSNews and Slashdot are far from "constructive". They're usually whines and complaints that the developer can't do anything with, even though seeing all that stuff it still affects them mentally in a negative way. It's surprising how many people think they're being "constructive" when in reality they're not.

If I'm an X.org developer it would be much easier for me to stop giving you free code and free support and to move on to something else. That would put you in an even worse position than before because now you've lost a person who does stuff for you for free.

Edited 2008-09-11 15:06 UTC

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abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

If your goal is to encourage them to do a better job, then whining and complaining is possibly the worst way to achieve that. Everybody likes compliments, nobody likes people who whine and complain. And yet what do people do? They whine and complain when there are problems but say nothing when things are going well.

Think about this.

Don't even get me started on "constructive criticism". Most of the criticisms that I've seen on OSNews and Slashdot are far from "constructive". They're usually whines and complaints that the developer can't do anything with, even though seeing all that stuff it still affects them mentally in a negative way. It's surprising how many people think they're being "constructive" when in reality they're not.

If I'm an X.org developer it would be much easier for me to stop giving you free code and free support and to move on to something else. That would put you in an even worse position than before because now you've lost a person who does stuff for you for free.



Well if you can't take criticism you probably shouldn't be in charge of a major project like X. We're not talking about grammar school children here, we're talking about adults. Coddling people's egos isn't going to get you anywhere. If you accept that status quo then obviously nothing is going to change and we'll continue to get ridiculously late and stripped releases. I never attacked X developers personally and I wouldn't because there is no need to. I simply criticised their release roadmap/scheduling. I think it's obvious that it deserves criticism.

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FooBarWidget Member since:
2005-11-11

We're not talking about grammar school children here, we're talking about adults.


Correct, but the basic desire for compliments and rejection for criticism still exists in many, if not most, adults. Would your boss stand your criticism? Maybe he would, but there's a pretty high chance he wouldn't, no matter how constructive you're trying to be. Maybe you would think that he's being childish, and you would be right, but that doesn't take away the very fact that you would still be screwed. You aren't going to get very far by continuously ignoring this basic human property.

Research Abraham Lincoln's life style. He realized this and refrained from criticism as much as possible. Instead of criticizing, judging, condemning, he tried to understand the other party. As as a result people listened to him.


That said, what you and I say here doesn't matter. Mark Shuttleworth just injected more money into improving FOSS, e.g. by hiring usability experts and programmers. Instead of criticizing, judging, condemning, he chose to take action. This is what improves FOSS, not the complaint of some random guy on OSNews. At the end of the day, actions still speak louder than words.

Edited 2008-09-12 14:58 UTC

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