Linked by David Adams on Wed 10th Sep 2008 15:43 UTC, submitted by Michael Larabel
X11, Window Managers It has been one year and four days since X.Org 7.3 was released and a number of months since X.Org 7.4 was supposed to be released, but today X.Org 7.4 is scheduled to finally make it out the door! This release is shipping quite late and with a slimmed down set of features, but in this article we have more details on what this release holds in store for the Linux desktop community and why it may be a short-lived release.
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FooBarWidget
Member since:
2005-11-11

The standard response you see when you critise FOSS.


Uhm no. You didn't read the rest of my comment.

It doesn't matter how much you whine about "standard response". Whining doesn't get you anywhere. America isn't built by people who whine. Democracy isn't formed by people who whine. Software isn't made by people who whine. Problems aren't fixed by people who whine.

It's by people who do.

It has got nothing to do with being exempt from criticism or not. Whining isn't going to solve it, regardless of whether it's exempt from criticism. You aren't solving the problem.

I've seen this happening over and over in many places. People complain, whine. And a year later, nothing changed and the problem still exist. Why? Because whining and complaining is all that people have done - nobody actually stepped forward and fixed the problem. People who say "Typical standard FOSS response" aren't getting it. I'm criticizing you for not doing anything useful, not for criticizing.

Edited 2008-09-11 18:00 UTC

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Wrawrat Member since:
2005-06-30

Well, maybe they're not getting it, but you don't seem to get something else: most people just want something that works. They couldn't care less of the development process of their software, they just want to use their computer. It's not because the source is available that you have the time, the will and/or the technical expertise to fix it.

It will only get worse as more people are adopting free software. If the developers can't handle it, perhaps they should stop bragging their environment as a suitable alternative for everyone to proprietary environments, where these companies do cope with whining because it's their bread and butter.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

most people just want something that works. They couldn't care less of the development process of their software

What it really comes down to is this inconsistent, and unfortunately common, viewpoint:

"We want and fully expect world domination. And if they don't come flocking to us then, well, they're just stupid. And if anyone criticizes our products or methods then, well, they're just lazy whiners."

Edited 2008-09-12 07:18 UTC

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FooBarWidget Member since:
2005-11-11

Yes most people want something that just works. Most people also want to be rich. Do they get it by whining or do they get it by working hard? It doesn't matter what you say about people "not caring". It still doesn't change anything. I can "not care" about how cars work but that doesn't mean I'm allowed to drive in one until I have a drivers license. They can "not care" all they want, that doesn't mean their demands are reasonable.

Heck, I can even say that I don't care who you are or whether you are a programmer, and that I expect you to deliver a full desktop environment to me within 6 months, for free. Will you listen to me if I said that? If not, then how can you possibly expect others to listen to you? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Why are you complaining to the free workers? Complain to the paid vendors, i.e. RedHat, Canonical, etc. from whom you have bought a support contract. They are the commercial companies here. If you want to complain like a customer, complain to the vendors.

You take open source for granted. You expect more and more free work from open source developers, and if anything isn't to your liking, you flame them. Why are you wasting your time doing all this? Is it because you don't want to pay for a proprietary system? Heck, even most actual users aren't that ungrateful. They usually say something along the lines of

"hey could you implement this and that? that would be awesome. but I understand that you have your own life and that you're probably busy, so if you can't or can't do it immediately then that's cool"

And surprise - developers usually listen to these people. For some reason, you, and many other OSNewsers and Slashdotters, feel the need to act ungrateful, and when developers don't listen to you, you blame them. Hello, what happened to simple social skills?
I'm not arguing about the merits of open source. I'm talking about your attitude to people.

Edited 2008-09-12 08:03 UTC

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