Linked by David Adams on Wed 24th Sep 2008 22:44 UTC, submitted by snydeq
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin has said it is time for Solaris to simply move out of the way and yield the future to Linux. 'The future is Linux and Microsoft Windows. It is not Unix or Solaris,' he claims, contending that Sun's strength in long-lifecycle apps is giving way to Linux, as evidenced by the rise of Web apps, where Linux holds a decided advantage, Zemlin claims. With capabilities such as ZFS and DTrace, Sun is trying to compete based on minor features, he says. 'That's literally like noticing the view from a third-story building as it burns to the ground.'
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Windows Sucks
Member since:
2005-11-10

That is interesting. With all those problems why would someone who has to crunch numbers like the New York Stock exchange or the Chicago stock exchange or HSBC or the US FAA replace other systems with Red Hat Enterprise and Suse realtime Linux?

If Linux could not perform then Linux would not even be in the mix. But in the case of the companies I listed above, not only is Linux in the mix but these companies are running mission critical apps on Linux.

Also out of the top 500 Super computers in the world 427 run Linux, 0 run solaris. 5 run Windows 2 run Mac OS, 1 is BSD based and 25 are UNIX (Mostly AIX cause IBM dominates the super computer market) and 40 are mixed mostly Linux and proprietary. So we can see where the world is going when it comes to high end computing and number crunching, Linux and real time Linux. And you would think that something like BSD or Solaris would rule this market esp with BSD being open source and so called so much better then Linux?? But BSD and Solaris with ZFS and DTrace are not even a BLIP on the super computer landscape??? I wonder why?

Oh maybe this is why: http://www.forbes.com/2005/03/15/cz_dl_0315linux.html

"Linux outguns popular Unix operating systems like AIX and Solaris from Sun Microsystems because those systems contain features that make them great for commercial users but add a lot of system overhead that ends up limiting overall performance. One example: a "virtualization" feature in AIX lets many applications share the same processor but "just hammers performance,"

Most companies that stay on Solaris are companies who have a lot invested already. Very few are moving to Solaris and even fewer are starting out on Solaris.

Yes Linux is a cute OS on the desktop. But NO one uses Solaris (Some people play with Open Solaris) on the desktop. Well there are a hand full of Solaris Workstations. But they slow as my grand mother (Which is why we call Solaris - Slow Laris)

Anyway what this guy Zemlim might be spouting stupid talk because of the way he said it. But the fact is Solaris will be a foot note soon. Like SCO Unix, Sun will have Unix customers but not many.

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implicate_order Member since:
2008-09-26

If Linux could not perform then Linux would not even be in the mix. But in the case of the companies I listed above, not only is Linux in the mix but these companies are running mission critical apps on Linux.


I am first-hand witness to Fortune 50 companies do an about-turn to their Linux strategy because it was very hard to maintain and operate a linux shop. It is a very different thing to run a few/niche linux servers in a large shop as opposed to run a large Linux shop.

Most of the popularity of Linux drives from the fact that Big-iron is/was on it's way out of the Datacenters after the dot-com bubble burst.

Horizontal scaling on Intel/like(Cheap/commodity) hardware called for something that would run on it ergo -- Linux, given that it was a unix-clone, especially when the other choice was *blech* windows!!

That has changed significantly since Sun started serious support of x86/x64 with Solaris 10. Try running your favorite flavor of Linux through a gamut of benchmark tests (try sysbench if you don't have anything else to run) and then run same benchmarks on Solaris 10 on a Sun 4600 M2 (8 quad-core AMD).

You'll see the difference. Linux doesn't scale.


Also out of the top 500 Super computers in the world 427 run Linux, 0 run solaris. 5 run Windows 2 run Mac OS, 1 is BSD based and 25 are UNIX (Mostly AIX cause IBM dominates the super computer market) and 40 are mixed mostly Linux and proprietary. So we can see where the world is going when it comes to high end computing and number crunching, Linux and real time Linux. And you would think that something like BSD or Solaris would rule this market esp with BSD being open source and so called so much better then Linux?? But BSD and Solaris with ZFS and DTrace are not even a BLIP on the super computer landscape??? I wonder why?


Grid computing relies on running multiple nodes on cheap/smaller hardware platforms (scale by number). So you can have a huge super-computing grid of 2-cpu systems running linux (same reason as given above).

Why aren't people switching over to Solaris?

They are.

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Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

Why aren't people switching over to Solaris? They are.


Who is?

Which companies?

According to revenue people are not buying anything from SUN? So I wonder who is switching to Solaris?

Edited 2008-09-26 22:03 UTC

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Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

Big-iron is/was on it's way out of the Datacenters.


Last time I looked IBM was making most of their money on "Big iron" in the Datacenter and Linux can run well on all that. IBM pushes it against their own Unix

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Kebabbert Member since:
2007-07-27

As long as these scenarios happens, Solaris will not die. It will be used instead of Linux when there is serious work to do. Maybe if Linux catch up technically Solaris will die.

http://lethargy.org/~jesus/archives/77-Choosing-Solaris-10-over-Lin...

There was an article where a guy explained why Linux is a bad solution for file server (for instance, Linux can not satisfy a band backup band width, whereas as Solaris can satisfy the bandwidth need for the tape backup). Cant find the article though.





Another thing. For super computers, Linux is the prefered choice because it is easier and less complex than Solaris to tailor to a specific need. But Linux scales very badly in ordinary everyday usage as many can testify.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8769

But for a very specific need, such as number crunching, Linux can be fine. Of course you could tailor Solaris to number crunching too, but that would be complex. Linux has a simpler structure, uses a more naive approach and easier to understand and modify. Easy to rip out the unnecessary parts not need for number crunching. The hallmark of naive solutions is they are easy to understand and implement but scales badly. Compare bubble sort to quicksort for instance. Solaris is more sophisticated, evolved under long time. Kernighan (or another guru) said about the Linux code, that it wasnt that good.

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Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

Solaris will never "Die" Nor will SCO Unix or HP-UX or AIX.

But if you looks at market reports it just doesn't look good for Solaris. Sorry to say.

1. Ubuntu beat Solaris in the 2007 - 2008 Server uptime reliability report (Done by the yankee group.) Ouch. http://www.iaps.com/2008-server-reliability-survey.html

2. Linux has a bigger market share then Solaris. Just like with Windows saying its not as good as Solaris wont stop it from being popular.

3. In devices, phones, set top boxes, PC's, Servers, Super computers, web hosting etc. Linux is every place, Solaris is no place.

The fact is you can say Solaris is better then Linux, better then Windows. In the end Windows and Linux have the market share and Solaris is losing what it had.

In the end Linux will be the king of the NX's and that is just fact. Solaris is not making a come back or some crap like that and ZFS, Zones, DTrace will not save it. Solaris will have it's nitch place like BSD and SCO unix.

It will always be "better" then Linux just will never again have the market share.

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