Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 6th Oct 2008 10:37 UTC, submitted by John Mills
Mono Project The Mono project has released Mono 2.0. As most of you will know, Mono is an open-source implementation of Microsoft's .NET framework for Linux, Mac OS X, Windows, and other operating systems. The 2.0 release comes packed with new features, the main ones being the compiler upgrade to C# 3.0 with support for LINQ, as well as the inclusion of ADO.NET 2.0, ASP.NET 2.0 and System.Windows.Forms 2.0. The release notes detail all the changes and new features.
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RE[5]: Amazing
by abraxas on Mon 6th Oct 2008 21:20 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Amazing"
abraxas
Member since:
2005-07-07

What makes you think that the CLR specification and the Common Language specification core technologies are safe? Irrevocable RAND terms have not been granted regarding those technologies, and it is merely governance of the ECMA that is keeping it in place.


What makes you think the Linux kernel is safe? Microsoft has claimed that the kernel has hundreds of patent infringements in it. What about Samba or Wine? I don't understand this focus on Mono. If you're really worried about Microsoft's software patents then I suggest you stop using any kind of software altogether.

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RE[6]: Amazing
by diegoviola on Mon 6th Oct 2008 23:14 in reply to "RE[5]: Amazing"
diegoviola Member since:
2006-08-15

"What makes you think that the CLR specification and the Common Language specification core technologies are safe? Irrevocable RAND terms have not been granted regarding those technologies, and it is merely governance of the ECMA that is keeping it in place.


What makes you think the Linux kernel is safe? Microsoft has claimed that the kernel has hundreds of patent infringements in it. What about Samba or Wine? I don't understand this focus on Mono. If you're really worried about Microsoft's software patents then I suggest you stop using any kind of software altogether.
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They can say whatever they want, but until they don't give proof, it's only FUD.

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RE[6]: Amazing
by lemur2 on Tue 7th Oct 2008 01:12 in reply to "RE[5]: Amazing"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

What makes you think the Linux kernel is safe? Microsoft has claimed that the kernel has hundreds of patent infringements in it.


Microsoft did not claim its own patents in the Linux kernel. The Linux kernel is, after all, a UNIX work-alike, whereas the NT kernel is a VMS work-alike.

What about Samba or Wine?


Samba is OK. Samba is a free software implementation of the SMB protocol, which is an IBM invention.

Wine is more problematic, and in some respects it indeed parallels Mono.

I personally don't run Wine either. I'd rather find a native Linux application that does a similar job to any given Windows application. Very often, the Linux application will be better anyway.

I don't understand this focus on Mono. If you're really worried about Microsoft's software patents then I suggest you stop using any kind of software altogether.


... stop using any software where Microsoft can feasibly claim that you would need a license from them (even where Microsoft did not write the code you are running), because Microsoft hold prehaps-valid patents in the applicable technology. Yes. Indeed. Agreed. Precisely the point.

That is why I don't run Wine or Mono.

That is also why it is absolutely fine for me to run the Linux kernel, GNU software, KDE desktop, Qt libraries, Samba, LAMP stack, even ntfs-3g (since Microsoft clearly didn't invent the concept of "filesystem"), OpenOffice (since Microsoft did not invent the concept of "office suite"), Firefox (Microsoft didn't invent the web browser), Thunderbird (Microsoft didn't invent the email client), and so on.

Microsoft did, however, invent the Win32 API, and Microsoft did invent the .NET framework.

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RE[7]: Amazing
by abraxas on Tue 7th Oct 2008 22:23 in reply to "RE[6]: Amazing"
abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

Microsoft did not claim its own patents in the Linux kernel. The Linux kernel is, after all, a UNIX work-alike, whereas the NT kernel is a VMS work-alike.


http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2189833/microsoft-claims-patents-...

Samba is OK. Samba is a free software implementation of the SMB protocol, which is an IBM invention.


Have you ever heard of CIFS?

... stop using any software where Microsoft can feasibly claim that you would need a license from them (even where Microsoft did not write the code you are running), because Microsoft hold prehaps-valid patents in the applicable technology. Yes. Indeed. Agreed. Precisely the point.


Have you ever read a software patent. They are so broad that everything in the open source world probably infringes on at least one of Microsoft's patents.

That is also why it is absolutely fine for me to run the Linux kernel, GNU software, KDE desktop, Qt libraries, Samba, LAMP stack, even ntfs-3g (since Microsoft clearly didn't invent the concept of "filesystem")


I'm happy for you. Run the software you want to run. No one cares. We just don't like you shoving your opinions down everyone's throat and spreading massive FUD because of your own irrational fears.

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