Linked by David Adams on Sat 11th Oct 2008 16:48 UTC, submitted by IndigoJo
Eric Raymond is working on an essay, putatively titled "Why C++ Is Not My Favorite Programming Language". In his announcement, he calls it "an overcomplexity generator", "bloated, obfuscated, unwieldy, rigid, and brittle", and alleges that these characteristics appear in C++ applications also. I contend that many of the complaints about C++ are petty or are aimed at specific libraries or poor documentation and that many of the features commonly regarded as unnecessary (and excluded from intended replacements) are, in fact, highly useful. C++: the Ugly Useful Programming Language
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RE: Before you get rid of C++ ....
by benhonghu on Sat 11th Oct 2008 17:12
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Before you get rid of C++, how about developing a language (with appropriate libraries) to do everything C++ does, including the ability to code fast, tight, native applications that can run on multiple platforms, and which will allow you to code close to the metal if you would like.
And most importantly, must be 99% C-compatible.
My experience is, for a small application that doesn't do anything the base class library doesn't provide, C# is indeed much faster to code. But as the code complexity grows and you need access to some C API then C# really is a hassle.
Good C++ libraries (like boost, Qt, OpenSceneGraph, etc) does a lot to smooth out the development experience.
Edited 2008-10-11 17:26 UTC
RE[2]: Before you get rid of C++ ....
by Accident on Sat 11th Oct 2008 17:55
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Well D comes pretty close to what he's looking for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_programming
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by aesiamun on Sat 11th Oct 2008 23:13
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RE: Before you get rid of C++ ....
by anythinggoes on Sat 11th Oct 2008 17:56
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by helf on Sat 11th Oct 2008 20:09
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RE: Before you get rid of C++ ....
by mksoft on Sat 11th Oct 2008 22:30
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by ciplogic on Sun 12th Oct 2008 08:59
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by elanthis on Sun 12th Oct 2008 15:10
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I think you're confused, kid. Java and .NET can run with some of their code compiled to native machine code at runtime, but that's not the same thing as a language that compiles to native code. You still need the actual managed runtime environment (which is quite different than just linking a shared library) for Java/.NET to work.
Basically, with C/C++, you can write code that runs on a machine in which no existing runtime or standard library yet exists (assuming your compiler has a target for it), where-as with Java/.NET, you need to port millions of lines of code (which themselves are written in -- wait for it -- C and C++) over to the platform first.
RE: Before you get rid of C++ ....
by snorkel on Mon 13th Oct 2008 03:09
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that language already exists, it's called Delphi...
http://www.codegear.com
RE: Before you get rid of C++ ....
by werpu on Mon 13th Oct 2008 10:19
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Before you get rid of C++, how about developing a language (with appropriate libraries) to do everything C++ does, including the ability to code fast, tight, native applications that can run on multiple platforms, and which will allow you to code close to the metal if you would like.
Objective-C... as old as C++ but way superior!
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by IanSVT on Mon 13th Oct 2008 16:15
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Before you get rid of C++, how about developing a language (with appropriate libraries) to do everything C++ does, including the ability to code fast, tight, native applications that can run on multiple platforms, and which will allow you to code close to the metal if you would like.