Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 28th Oct 2008 10:51 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu With the release of Ubuntu 8.10 only a few days away, Phoronix decided to take a look at the performance figures over the past releases - from Ubuntu 7.04 to Ubuntu 8.10. Phoronix used its own extensive test suite on fresh installations, with the same parameters, on the identical hardware. The results are rather surprising. Update: I've added some more information about this, gathered from the Ubuntu mailing list. You can find it in the 'read more'.
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Anti-fanboy
by cyclops on Tue 28th Oct 2008 21:16 UTC
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2006-03-12

LOL performance has possibly dropped phoronix is awful at benchmarking, but it would hardly be surprising. Anyone using the open source Intel drivers and moved from XAA to EXA and soon to UXA(what!?) has had more that a little pain, as software goes through a transitional phase.

The funny thing is that performance particularly that is paramount, and only makes a difference if features/security/stability/other justify it. If performance has dropped, unless the benefits can justify the performance drop, they can simply because its a fantastic release, (love love love my wireless networking out of the box).

Not the harsh reality is. esp when talking a simple test like Dhrystone its not features its something pretty low level which affects everything, which is kind of useful.

What is fun though is they have tested programs that make up part and parcel of the linux experience that are faster than they were before. Openarena is a good expample whey have had some massive performance boosts with the ioquake engine.

That all said it looks like performace problems have been introduced and need fixing as it does not look like the upper layer stuff.

Now what is really really funny is this has less impact than my personal bugbear the lack of OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Ubuntu which outweighs *any* performance regression its really stupid, and having it in backports is simply not good enough.

Now whats really funny is the anti ubuntu fanboy rants, which outweigh by an order of magnitude any defense by any fanboy.

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RE: Anti-fanboy
by irbis on Tue 28th Oct 2008 21:31 in reply to "Anti-fanboy"
irbis Member since:
2005-07-08

the lack of OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Ubuntu which outweighs *any* performance regression its really stupid, and having it in backports is simply not good enough.

OpenOffice.org 3.0 is still very new. You have to realize that Ubuntu supports huge amount of languages officially. People would expect that they get a fully working office package with well-working spell-checking and hyphenation for the languages they write in (if those languages are not very small only). For example, OpenOffice.org 3 still doesn't have those things in my mother tongue, thus I rather use Ooo 2 still - although I could get Ooo 3 for Ubuntu 8.10 quite easily from the PPA repositories too (and I'm too busy to compile and test some alpha or beta versions of hyphenation & spell-checking just now).

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RE[2]: Anti-fanboy
by cyclops on Tue 28th Oct 2008 23:11 in reply to "RE: Anti-fanboy"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

I know the reasoning behind the choice. It was clearly a hard choice. I think the pro's for including it outweigh the cons, others think differently and they could be right.

I have Openoffice.org 3 working on machine, and it was fairly trivial...but its not yet for those people who want to try a new OS. Ibex in so many ways is wonderful.

I suspect I'm more disappointed than damning over this. Its been such a good release. Wireless is just a one area that is spectacular. I hoped so much for a perfect release this time. X was not as singing and dancing as it should have been. Mono is on 1.9.1 not 2.0. I know my Intel driver is sat at 2.1.0, and its because the the Intel drivers have not stabilized yet.

I know I have to wait the matter of weeks for these to be corrected, but read my posts I was busting for this release to be a shining example of Linux+X+Gnome+stuff and it hits in some of the spots, but falls short in others, but Ubuntu only gets *one* launch. I suspect those Distributions that are prepared to wait a few weeks will reap the rewards.

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RE: Anti-fanboy
by lemur2 on Wed 29th Oct 2008 00:10 in reply to "Anti-fanboy"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

That all said it looks like performace problems have been introduced and need fixing as it does not look like the upper layer stuff. Now what is really really funny is this has less impact than my personal bugbear the lack of OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Ubuntu which outweighs *any* performance regression its really stupid, and having it in backports is simply not good enough. Now whats really funny is the anti ubuntu fanboy rants, which outweigh by an order of magnitude any defense by any fanboy.


Don't be too sure about OpenOffice 3 either, if you have a nvidia card and you are using the nvidia proprieatry driver. It seems that OpenOffice is another program, along with KDE 4 and Firefox 3, that is hit very badly by the binary nvidia proprietary driver bug in XRender.

http://www.breakitdownblog.com/nvidias-linux-performance-woes-espec...

How bad is this bug? Try a performance degradation in the XRender function of apparently up to 50 TIMES slower.

http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/16/0034235

I think it may eventuate that quite a bit of Linux software may be getting tarred with a "poor performance" bad rap from this nvidia bug.

PS: Phoronix used ATI for their ubuntu comparison test. The problem is that ATI graphics drivers for Linux for a long while were similarly terrible, and only now is there eventually becoming available some decent-performing ATI drivers for Linux.

Edited 2008-10-29 00:13 UTC

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