Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 5th Nov 2008 16:12 UTC, submitted by Michael
Windows I collect manuals. I have so many of them, that I'm starting to wonder where on earth I'm supposed to put them all. Somewhere in the back of a closet, I keep all my manuals in three huge boxes, with manuals dating from the early '80s to just a few days ago when I bought a new mouse. However, none of them are as dear to my as my extensive, fully illustrated Dutch manuals for Windows 3.0, which accompanied my parents' first PC in 1990. An enormously detailed manual covering every aspect of Windows 3.0 - with special sleeves for the various floppy disks that held the Windows 3.0 operating system. I still have those original floppies, and they're still fully functional. Last week, the era of Windows 3.x finally came to an end when Microsoft ceased to give out licenses for the operating system.
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Fun OS to tinker with ...

not to mention Desqview and Geoworks.
There was plenty of competition back
then (88-91) and no one was sure who
would dominate the desktop. As I recall
there was high hopes for Unix to come
out as leader in desktops with motif GUI.

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sakeniwefu Member since:

As I recall
there was high hopes for Unix to come
out as leader in desktops with motif GUI.

UNIX could barely run in PCs at the time, and if X is slow now imagine it on a 386, so the high hopes must have come from interacting with illegal substances. Moreover, X was used to multitask xterms and only long bearded gurus were using UNIX at all and they needed no stinkin' GUI.
Then again, besides the privileged few, most people ran Windows to multitask DOS applications for most of the Win3.11 era. The only non-bundled windows application I recall using before getting Win95 is Microsoft Word for Windows.

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sakeniwefu Member since:

I know, I know, I am full of merda bovis. Then how does your (I might add rich if you could run any of those on contemporary systems) fanboy brain explain this?


The basic 386BSD system binaries (excluding X Windows) require at least 40 MBytes of free disk space in a free DOS partition. If you wish to load X Windows as well, you need at least 80 MBytes.

X for Linux:
The only major caveats with X Windows are the hardware and memory requirements. A 386 with 4 megabytes of RAM is capable of running X, but 8 megabytes or more of physical RAM are needed to use it comfortably.


Coherent 4.2: 15 Megabytes Available Hard-Disk Space, 12 Megabytes RAM, gcc
2.3.2 for development, Answer Software & Consulting or MWC

Linux 0.99: 12 Megabytes Available Hard-Disk Space, 8 Megabytes RAM, libc
4.4.4, Linux 0.99pl13 or higher, XFree86 2.0

BSD/386 1.0: 15 Megabytes Available Hard-Disk Space, 8 Megabytes RAM, X11R5

FreeBSD 1.0.2: 15 Megabytes Available Hard-Disk Space, 8 Megabytes RAM,
XFree86 2.0

NetBSD 0.9: 15 Megabytes Available Hard-Disk Space, 8 Megabytes RAM,
XFree86 2.0

Compare that to:

80386 or higher processor
8MB Hard disk drive space

or even better to Windows 95(By that time comfortable use of X in Linux is listed on 16MB):

Processor: 386 DX or higher
Memory: 4MB RAM
Drives: 35MB Hard disk drive space

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Doc Pain Member since:

not to mention Desqview and Geoworks.

Still have them on the shelf. Both of them. :-)

Especially GeoWorks Ensemble was very straight forward at its time, ran much faster than "Windows" on those days' machines, and had GUI functionalities even today's "Windows" lacks, such as detachable menues and an appealing Motif GUI. Sadly, there weren't much additional programs for it, but without wanting to go too far, you could use it even today for everyday simple work (e. g. text processing). Of course, the Web wasn't a topic at this time, so it would be stupid to expect something in this direction.

DESQview/X introduced usable multitasking to DOS, as far as I remember; my DOS era didn't last for very long because I had the chance to quickly turn towards UNIX. Allthough there was DOS/ES on the mainframe... :-)

If you want to have a look at it, see the GUI gallery:

(BTW, I had the german 1.3 version of GWE that looked much better. I still have a 486 laptop running it that I sometimes use to program Motorola mobile radios - because you can't do that with today's PCs.)

Addition: GeoWorks allowed you to use filenames longer than 8.3 without breaking any compatibility.

Edited 2008-11-06 05:24 UTC

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Rugxulo Member since:

DESQview/X introduced usable multitasking to DOS, as far as I remember

I've never used it, but from what I can tell, it lost to Win3x because the latter was much cheaper. Anyways, don't forget DR-DOS 7, which had true multitasking also. Win3x (on my old 486) was never very good at multitasking, but probably because machines of that era had too low RAM (e.g. my 8 MB). DOS' biggest advantage is probably lighter resources than pretty much anything else. Then again, a lot of DOS apps (or apps in general) aren't nearly as efficient as they could be.

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