Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 14th Nov 2008 21:38 UTC, submitted by pantheraleo
Oracle and SUN The world hasn't been kind to Sun for quite a while now, but with the economic downturn, things are getting worse. Sun announced today that it will be laying off 18% of its workforce, or about 6000 people. In addition, it was announced that Sun's software chief Rich Green has resigned for reasons that were not stated, although as part of Sun's reorganization and cost cutting efforts, many departments are being merged, and the software division is being restructured and reorganized.
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RE[2]: hard to say
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 14th Nov 2008 23:59 UTC in reply to "RE: hard to say"
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

Well, secretaries, salesmen, advertising, marketing, accounting. I'm sure they have a reasonable number of non tech related positions. Although, it would be naive to assume that they wouldn't cut any engineers at all. I would be very afraid, if I was one of the devs working on an obscure java technology. Like any of these:

http://java.sun.com/othertech/index.jsp

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RE[3]: hard to say
by evangs on Sat 15th Nov 2008 08:32 in reply to "RE[2]: hard to say"
evangs Member since:
2005-07-07

Those projects are probably dead already given that the latest entry dates back to October 2005.

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RE[3]: hard to say
by dagw on Sat 15th Nov 2008 12:27 in reply to "RE[2]: hard to say"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

Well, secretaries, salesmen, advertising, marketing, accounting.

Of course if you got rid of all of those people you'll never get any new customers or orders or payments or silly stuff like that. Which will quickly lead to you not needing any more engineers anyway.

How many tech companies haven't failed because people thought that great tech would more than make up for a shitty sales and marketing team.

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RE[4]: hard to say
by Moochman on Sun 16th Nov 2008 14:03 in reply to "RE[3]: hard to say"
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

...not to mention that Sun's marketing never seemed all that extensive to start with...

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RE[3]: hard to say
by Panajev on Sat 15th Nov 2008 12:44 in reply to "RE[2]: hard to say"
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2008-01-09

Well, secretaries, salesmen, advertising, marketing, accounting. I'm sure they have a reasonable number of non tech related positions.


Chances are that most of the cuts will be outside of sales, marketing, accounting, and advertising, and I doubt that secretaries will see huge cuts...
I know it sounds stupid, but too many times in the past tech firms have fired their engineers before firing anyone else...

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RE[4]: hard to say
by l3v1 on Sat 15th Nov 2008 21:07 in reply to "RE[3]: hard to say"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

Well, our chief has said on occasions that we should never think that we (r&d, scientists, developers, IT) are more valuable for the company than the cleaning and maintenance personnel when considering the stability of the jobs/positions. Go figure.

Edited 2008-11-15 21:07 UTC

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