Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 14th Nov 2008 21:38 UTC, submitted by pantheraleo
Oracle and SUN The world hasn't been kind to Sun for quite a while now, but with the economic downturn, things are getting worse. Sun announced today that it will be laying off 18% of its workforce, or about 6000 people. In addition, it was announced that Sun's software chief Rich Green has resigned for reasons that were not stated, although as part of Sun's reorganization and cost cutting efforts, many departments are being merged, and the software division is being restructured and reorganized.
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RE: Banks
by Hiev on Sat 15th Nov 2008 00:01 UTC in reply to "Banks"
Hiev
Member since:
2005-09-27

Because we all know than in the enterprise world only banks dissapear and only banks get be bougth by other companies.

Me rolls eyes.

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RE[2]: Banks
by h3rman on Sat 15th Nov 2008 00:09 in reply to "RE: Banks"
h3rman Member since:
2006-08-09

Industrial production has to somehow correspond to demand. On the other hand, financial bubbles, i.e., price/debt inflation, i.e., bank revenues, can grow virtually without limits, extracting value from the productive economy - until the bubble bursts. If your business then depends largely on having banks as customers, you're dead.
Although I would agree that the American domestic market is unique since the US doesn't have to finance its own trade deficit/budget deficit.

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RE[2]: Banks
by segedunum on Tue 18th Nov 2008 12:47 in reply to "RE: Banks"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Because we all know than in the enterprise world only banks dissapear and only banks get be bougth by other companies.

Who would have considered saying that at one time? It was always going to be risky staying with one set of customers regardless.

Sun are relying on big businesses, many of them financial, buying into large, high-end systems with an enterprise price tag to match. This is Sun's market, it's their culture, it's the way they have always been and they don't want to diversify to anything else. Sun, collectively and individually, simply do not comprehend anything else. Unfortunately, they're always at risk when companies ask themselves questions like "Do we need to spend money on this?" and "Why are we buying that expensive stuff when we have something cheaper elsewhere that performs a more than adequate job here?"

Sun has had many years and the cash to diversify and mitigate this risk, but they either don't understand this at all, or as I think, they went into a spiral of denial and believed that they could tweak their existing stuff here and there, hype some technical stuff few care about, continue selling big machines at big prices to markets that had moved on and everything would be OK. It was never going to be.

What's missing from this headline is that Sun have made a $1.68 billion dollar loss this quarter alone - hence the job losses.

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RE[3]: Banks
by Kebabbert on Tue 18th Nov 2008 14:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Banks"
Kebabbert Member since:
2007-07-27

At last some clever remarks from you! About time.

"Unfortunately, they're always at risk when companies ask themselves questions like "Do we need to spend money on this?" and "Why are we buying that expensive stuff when we have something cheaper elsewhere that performs a more than adequate job here?""

And then the conclusion is simple: SUN provides far better throughput at a fraction of the price on some work loads, compared to IBM and HP-UX Unix machines. Not to mention x86 servers.

Also, Solaris Enterprise support is cheaper than RedHat Linux Enterprise support. Again the conclusion is simple: Use Solaris.

Good to see some sane reasoning from you, at last. I agree, you must ask yourself the question if you can optimize and consider the alternatives. You should not only consider a subset of possible solutions, that could lead to sub optimization, and you dont want that.

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