Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Dec 2008 10:58 UTC
Windows Two weeks ago, I published an article in which I explained what was wrong about Randall Kennedy's "Windows 7 Unmasked" article. This was noted by Infoworld's editor-in-chief Eric Knorr, who suggested that Randall and I enter into an email debate regarding the various points made in our articles. We agreed upon publishing this email thread as-is, unedited (I didn't even fix the spelling errors), on both Infoworld and OSNews. We agreed that Randall would start the debate, and that I had the final word. Read on for the entertaining email debate (I figured it would be best to give each email its own page, for clarity's sake. My apologies if this makes each individual page much shorter than what you're used to from OSNews).
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segedunum
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2005-07-06

I read that, and wish I hadn't. A lot of lengths have been gone to so that Thom, in his own little fantasy world, can prove that he is not wrong.......again.

I know Thom has had a bee in his bonnet, and he gets rather upset (how upset he gets is a clue to reality), when anyone suggests that Windows 7 is merely a totally cosmetic facelift to Vista to make 7 what Vista should have been outwardly to start off with. Everything in Windows 7, from drivers to the very limited amounts of software written for Vista, will be compatible with Vista. It deserves a version bump, but you'll have to go a long way to the right to find a minor version number it does deserve bumping.

Thom then gets hung up on some thread count kernel argument, which was merely one metric used that has been a guide in the past. Given that Windows 7 will run Vista's drivers without any modification whatsoever, then Windows 7 must use the same kernel with mere cosmetic modifications and compatible bug fixes because even subtle changes alter behaviour in lots of unexpected ways. You can't risk that. If Thom doesn't know that then he doesn't know what he's talking about...........again. Logically, this must be the case.

All the SMP and memory improvements are meaningless. They are bug fixes and some feature improvements (most of them having been backported from Windows 2008!), neither users or developers will notice and such changes deserve the moniker of a very minor version bump.

Oh, and what on Earth was the LP analogy about? Whew.

Laughably, Thom then brings up MinWin (a microkernel if you please), where we have established that MinWin is just an NT kernel that has not been altered or even 'stripped down' in any way, nor is there any justification for the description. As I've said before, we get this lunacy around every new version of Windows where everything is positioned as a break from the past and things have been reinvented. They just plain haven't.

MinWin is currently vapourware as it was presented. It might turn out to be a rather amusing way for Microsoft to better bootstrap and install from a Live CD, or something, that we've all been using forever, but right now it amounts to nothing but PDC hype. For compatibility reasons, there are serious question marks over what form it can exist in. It really isn't that great and it bears no relation in reality to how it was described in OSNews articles. No, really. All that hype for some DLL rearranging which is what MinWin really is?

Sorry Thom, but bug fixes to make things actually work as they were intended does not mean a new OS. That's what this is really about. If you keep at this, padded walls are beckoning for you.

Less of the day: When you sign off with the 'personal attacks' retort, you've lost.

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rexstuff Member since:
2007-04-06

"[Thom] gets rather upset (how upset he gets is a clue to reality), when anyone suggests that Windows 7 is merely a totally cosmetic facelift to Vista to make 7 what Vista should have been outwardly to start off with."

What in all Hades are you talking about?! That Windows 7 is internally -not- a significant change over Vista has been Thom's position the -entire- time.

Since I seem to be Mr Logical Fallacy, I will point out the one in your post. It's called 'straw man', and frankly, I find it one of the most insulting.

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hollovoid Member since:
2005-09-21

Its weird he calls thom upset, but has racked up tons of threads (pun intended) being upset himself. State your point and exit, no need to beat the horse over and over again, and be the one your so critical of.

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