Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 23rd Dec 2008 20:20 UTC, submitted by AdamW
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris The first pre-release of Mandriva Linux 2009 Spring is now available. This alpha concentrates on updating to the major desktop components of the distribution, including KDE 4.2 Beta 2, GNOME 2.25.2, Xfce 4.6 Beta 2, X.org server 1.5, and kernel 2.6.28 rc8. It is also the first distribution to introduce the major new Tcl/Tk release, 8.6. The alpha is available only in the DVD Free edition with a traditional installer and no proprietary applications; future pre-releases will add the live CD One edition with proprietary drivers. Please help test this first pre-release and report bugs to Mandriva.
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RE: KDE 3?
by Jokel on Wed 24th Dec 2008 07:34 UTC in reply to "KDE 3?"
Jokel
Member since:
2006-06-01

While I must say my first experience with KDE4 on Mandriva 2009 was a bit of a bumpy ride, I am used to it and really like it by now. I do not want to go back to KDE 3.5.

I don't know if you also did the rather massive update after installing Mandriva 2009. It upgrades KDE 4.1.2 to KDE 1.2.3. The latter is far more polished than the original version.

Also - I think a lot of problems you experienced stem from the fact you installed KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.1.2 at the same time. While I must admit I still use some KDE 3.5 applications (Kommander, Kedit etc.) that are not (yet?) ported to KDE4, I only have some needed libraries installed, but no KDE 3.5. I do not have double menu entries and all that stuff.

Yes - KDE4 has still some rough edges, but no showstoppers as far as I concern. And yes, it takes some time to get used to KDE4, but if you use it on a regular day-to-day base this does not take a very long time. I am really looking forward to Mandriva 2009.1 where KDE 4.2 will be used.

While it is possible to jump to another distro that is still using KDE 3.5, I think it is just a matter of time before they will drop KDE3 too. Do not forget a lot of major distro's (Fedora, OpenSUSE, Kubuntu etc.) are allready jumping on the KDE4 bandwagon (altough I must admit Kubuntu does a lousy job on it). It is just a matter of time KDE 3.5 is something of the past.

I would say - just use KDE4. Help to improve KDE4 by requesting new features and submit bug reports if something goes wrong. If you keep standing on the sideline, just shouting you don't like it it will never improve the way you want it. Do not forget it is not possible to please everyone, but it is completely impossible to please someone who does not participate and does not say what he/she/it wants.

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RE[2]: KDE 3?
by UltraZelda64 on Wed 24th Dec 2008 09:12 in reply to "RE: KDE 3?"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

I don't know; every time I've tried KDE4, it just wasn't there yet. Buggy, incomplete, a memory hog, and just not very pleasant. While those "big distros" try to gain users by being on the bleeding edge with the latest-and-not-so-greatest software, I'll stick with the more conservative distros when it comes to KDE. I'll take KDE3 any day over KDE4, and I don't see that *ever* changing on a machine with around 256 megs of RAM or so. It's unsuitable and runs *horrible* on such systems. Maybe sometime in the future KDE4 will be nice on a more modern system, but last time I checked it left a lot to be desired.

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RE[2]: KDE 3?
by KAMiKAZOW on Wed 24th Dec 2008 12:12 in reply to "RE: KDE 3?"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't know if you also did the rather massive update after installing Mandriva 2009. It upgrades KDE 4.1.2 to KDE 1.2.3. The latter is far more polished than the original version.

KDE 1.2.3? :-)

While it is possible to jump to another distro that is still using KDE 3.5, I think it is just a matter of time before they will drop KDE3 too. Do not forget a lot of major distro's (Fedora, OpenSUSE, Kubuntu etc.) are allready jumping on the KDE4 bandwagon

At least openSUSE still offers KDE 3.5. While it's unlikely that KDE 3.5 will still be included on the openSUSE 11.2 DVD, it's very likely that it will be in the repos.
I'm not sure if KDE 3 will be part of SUSE Linux Enterprise (to be released in January), but if it will, then Novell has the obligation to its customers to maintain KDE 3.5 for another 7 years.

It is just a matter of time KDE 3.5 is something of the past.

True. There's so many outdated stuff in there (aRTs for example).

I would say - just use KDE4. Help to improve KDE4 by requesting new features and submit bug reports if something goes wrong.

Also true. It's not that much work to simulate KDE 3 with KDE 4 technologies.

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RE[3]: KDE 3?
by lemur2 on Fri 26th Dec 2008 00:22 in reply to "RE[2]: KDE 3?"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Also true. It's not that much work to simulate KDE 3 with KDE 4 technologies.


This is especially so with KDE 4.2. However, even with KDE 4.1.3, it is possible to emulate a KDE 3 desktop fairly well. It is a mistake to install both KDE 3 and KDE 4 at the same time, because of confusing duplicate menu entries that doing this causes. If a KDE 3 application does not have a KDE 4 port at this time, most distributions will re-compile the KDE 3 version against KDE 4 libraries and emulated-kde3-compatibility-libraries such as libao2 (which is an audio output library on KDE4 which supports ALSA, aRts, ESD, OSS, Pulse and several others). This means that if one installs KDE3 and KDE4 at the same time, one will have quite a few programs which have a KDE3 version, sometimes a KDE3-but-complied-for-KDE4 version, and sometimes a new version for KDE4 only of the same program on one's menus.

This is bound to cause confusion if it was not what one was expecting.

The only thing that I found to be essential for a quick transition form KDE3 to KDE4 was to remove the Kickoff menu from the panel and install the Lancelot menu instead.

http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/main
This should be available for installation via the package manager if it is not included by default.

Also recommended, but not essential, is to change the default theme to something like Glassified or Aya.

There was until very recently a bug in the nvidia binary driver for Linux that caused dramatically horrible performance, and instability on many systems. If you have a nvidia graphics card, then in order for KDE 4 to be useable you must install the latest nvidia beta driver. The versions shown on this page:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
are not recent enough, as these versions still contain the bug. As this thread shows:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=8885a0b51b794ca159...
you need a nvidia driver of version 180.06 or later in order to avoid this bug.

Please don't confuse any poor performance resulting from this bug with performance of KDE4. There is a great deal of dismissing of KDE 4 that has been done because of this nvidia bug.

Also recommended on older systems is to turn off the desktop effects.

After few tweaks like these the KDE 4 experience easily surpasses the KDE 3 experience.

KDE 4 is, after all, the ONLY desktop environment for Linux that makes use of the system's GPU to accelerate graphics rendering of the desktop. As a consequence, it out-performs any other Linux desktop, even the "lightweight" ones such as fluxbox and openbox, on any system that has even a modest (but working) GPU.

Edited 2008-12-26 00:30 UTC

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RE[2]: KDE 3?
by cjcoats on Thu 25th Dec 2008 02:05 in reply to "RE: KDE 3?"
cjcoats Member since:
2006-04-16

Sorry, I wasn't clear: after having wasted about twenty hours trying to get a KDE4 based 2009.0 install to work properly for me (including two installs, with lots of time waiting for the net-based 4.1.3 upgrade), I re-formatted /usr, installed a no-KDE 2009.0 from scratch, and then installed KDE3 from the net repositories. Now, it works for me.

I still have my question unanswered: when will mouse-button-in-root-windows be configurable? Or will that ever happen in KDE4? I repeat: That is a show-stopper for me.

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RE[3]: KDE 3?
by AdamW on Thu 25th Dec 2008 04:44 in reply to "RE[2]: KDE 3?"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm afraid I have no idea, sorry.

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RE[3]: KDE 3?
by fukudasan on Thu 25th Dec 2008 08:45 in reply to "RE[2]: KDE 3?"
fukudasan Member since:
2006-06-04

Yeah, looks like I'll probably have to try it that way, too. :-P

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