Linked by weildish on Sat 27th Dec 2008 22:58 UTC
Linux Sick of Apple and Microsoft flaunting themselves about constantly with their "I'm a Mac/I'm a PC" advertisements? Had a vision for the first Linux commercial you've been wanting to put into place? The Linux Foundation is calling you. Not literally, of course. Beginning January 26th, 2009, the Foundation will be accepting 60-second video offerings from budding directors worldwide to begin their own "I'm Linux" advertising campaign. The winner takes all with "a flight to Narita in Japan from the airport closest to your home plus three nights at a hotel in order for the winner to attend the Linux Foundation Japan's symposium in October next year." Start those rusty creative gears turning-- it's certain that plenty will enter, and only one will win.
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F*ck Linux
by shevegen on Sun 28th Dec 2008 16:10 UTC
shevegen
Member since:
2008-04-04

I am using Linux since 2004.

In general I am fine with many things. I use what I like and discard the rest. There are also many great examples. For example I think the KDE team does a tremendous job altogether.

However, in other areas, I really want to scream loudly the "f*ck linux". And my biggest complaints are:

1- They dont listen to users. If experienced users complain about something, then maybe they should listen. And if they dont, I encourage everyone to flame them into oblivion.

2- See point 1. It really is important.

3- See point 1 again, for the last time. The whole LSB builds upon the FHS, which means that it will not allow flexibility. No AppDir approach. The curse of libtool for many years to come (I must say that the libtool developers are very very friendly and helpful, so be nice to them. Even if libtool sucks, the authors and helping people are good guys. Some other arrogant developers should reconsider their stance, or leave Linux - which would make me happier, since it is impossible to work with unfriendly developers.)

4- Please, no more propaganda from ANY side. If an application is good, it will spread. I can assure every stupid propaganda move that if Linux solutions ARE GOOD, that they WILL SUCCEED. Maybe ask WHY Linux is not installed everywhere yet. I tell you how to make this happen - LISTEN TO PEOPLE. Especially those that are using Linux solutions since a long time (but also newbies, because they bring fresh ideas and fresh visions into the pool).
Take RMS. I agree with him and the FSF in principle. But I totally disagree about preaching to INFORMED people. I already made my opinion after evaluating things for long. I do not want to be preached to anymore.

If there are valid arguments, I am fine with them. But I dont buy nor do I accept any propganda, be it from Microsoft or the FSF.

F*ck Propaganda.

PS: Correcting errors is fine. There is a separation between trolling/spreading propaganda, and correcting errors. I often have the impression that people rather want to defend an "ideal" vision which SIMPLY IS NOT CORRECT.

As I wrote above, if you want to convince people, convince them with the better solution. Do not go to great lengths to copy things, instead, make better things AND LISTEN to complaints.

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RE: F*ck Linux
by DRIQ on Sun 28th Dec 2008 18:29 in reply to "F*ck Linux"
DRIQ Member since:
2008-04-28

Oh dear

I am all ears.

I can feel your frustration, but do not understand what exactly that you want. Can you be more specific? The community is working hard to provide solutions 24/7.

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RE: F*ck Linux
by factotum218 on Sun 28th Dec 2008 21:09 in reply to "F*ck Linux"
factotum218 Member since:
2007-03-20

Absolutely.

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RE: F*ck Linux
by Moulinneuf on Sun 28th Dec 2008 21:59 in reply to "F*ck Linux"
Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

Nice idea for an ads ...

Then at the ends someone tap him on the shoulder and say "I was right here no needs to yell" ...

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RE: F*ck Linux
by WorknMan on Mon 29th Dec 2008 03:20 in reply to "F*ck Linux"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

4- Please, no more propaganda from ANY side. If an application is good, it will spread. I can assure every stupid propaganda move that if Linux solutions ARE GOOD, that they WILL SUCCEED. Maybe ask WHY Linux is not installed everywhere yet. I tell you how to make this happen - LISTEN TO PEOPLE. Especially those that are using Linux solutions since a long time (but also newbies, because they bring fresh ideas and fresh visions into the pool).
Take RMS. I agree with him and the FSF in principle. But I totally disagree about preaching to INFORMED people. I already made my opinion after evaluating things for long. I do not want to be preached to anymore.


Yeah, and if you want to start listening to people who aren't using Linux yet and are interested in finding out what they want, I'll give you your first mission:

If I download a package (say for the latest version of VLC, or whatever), I should be able to install it on any distro I'm running. The whole 'different packages for different distros' thing is retarded and needs to go away.

I don't care what package manager I'm using and I'll leave the details of how it all works underneath to the geeks who program the stuff, but you guys REALLY need to make that sh*t work. If you don't, you can run all the ads you want, but it's not going to do you a damn bit of good.

If you can't convert Windows 'power users' like myself, you're dead in the water, because I'm the 'guru' that all my friends and family call when they have computer problems, and most of them will run whatever I tell them to. So in a nutshell, if I switch, then they switch. If I don't, then they don't either.

Of course, you guys don't have to listen to me and can continue to do things ass backwards if you want, but your marketshare ain't gonna grow much that way.

Edited 2008-12-29 03:22 UTC

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RE[2]: F*ck Linux
by sbergman27 on Mon 29th Dec 2008 03:36 in reply to "RE: F*ck Linux"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

If you can't convert Windows 'power users' like myself, you're dead in the water,

Question to Linux fans: Do we want to convert "Windows 'power users' like WorknMan? What exactly *are* 'power users', anyway? Am I a Linux 'power user'? Any comments from MacOS or Haiku 'power users'?

Seems to me that pleasing regular folks might yield more benefits than going after 'power users' of another OS who would have so very much to unlearn. (Though 'power user' seems, to me, to be pretty much a Windows exclusive term. A part of the local pecking order of that particular domain.)

WorknMan, 'power user', you might be better off sticking with what you know.

Edited 2008-12-29 03:48 UTC

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