Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 17th Jan 2009 15:29 UTC
Internet Explorer After successfully battling Microsoft over the company's bundling of Windows Media Player, the European Union is now ready for more. The European Commission has charged Microsoft with violating competition laws because of the Microsoft's bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows.
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Again?
by ringham on Sat 17th Jan 2009 15:36 UTC
ringham
Member since:
2006-03-23

Oh Jesus, not this BS again.
I don't see people complaining about Safari being bundled with OS X, nor do I see people complaining about Firefox being distributed with Ubuntu.

You can't install it under Windows - so what? Why is this a problem? You don't want it? Fine, don't use it, remove the icons from your Start Menu (or make an install step in the Firefox installer that will do that for you), and be done with it. Stop complaining and wasting people's time and money over this.

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RE: Again?
by SlackerJack on Sat 17th Jan 2009 15:48 in reply to "Again?"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

This is because the harm Microsoft has coursed to competition over the last 10 years or so, Firefox is a third party app and is distrubuted by choice and easy removable(they can switch browser at any time and wouldn't make a difference because there is nothing to gain).

The fact is because Microsoft did what it did they are now getting whats coming to them,they abused their powerful postion locking in customers to their software, formats, you name it.

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RE[2]: Again?
by Hiev on Sat 17th Jan 2009 15:50 in reply to "RE: Again?"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

locking in customers to their software


Yeah sure, because you don't have access to any other browser in Windows, just IE. Me rolls eyes.

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v RE[2]: Again?
by ringham on Sat 17th Jan 2009 15:57 in reply to "RE: Again?"
RE: Again?
by GODhack on Sat 17th Jan 2009 16:10 in reply to "Again?"
GODhack Member since:
2008-05-16

In Linux you can remove Firefox if you do not like it as easy as every other program.

And if you try try to totally remove IE from windos it will end in serious problems: YOU do not like IE good then you do not get windows.

This is unfair point. Millions of people keep IE in their PC just because Microsoft forced them to do so. muhaha

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RE[2]: Again?
by Moulinneuf on Sat 17th Jan 2009 19:07 in reply to "RE: Again?"
Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

In GNU/Linux you have many software choice for each application.

Not only are they easy to remove , you have a choice of many of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers

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RE: Again?
by UltraZelda64 on Sat 17th Jan 2009 18:30 in reply to "Again?"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Oh Jesus, not this BS again.
I don't see people complaining about Safari being bundled with OS X, nor do I see people complaining about Firefox being distributed with Ubuntu.

You can't install it under Windows - so what? Why is this a problem? You don't want it? Fine, don't use it, remove the icons from your Start Menu (or make an install step in the Firefox installer that will do that for you), and be done with it. Stop complaining and wasting people's time and money over this.

The differences:
-Mac OS X is not on 90% of desktop PCs, and neither is Safari. In other words, no monopolies here.
-Ubuntu (or Linux in general) is not on 90% of desktop PCs, and neither is Firefox. Again, no monopoly.
-If someone wants to remove Firefox completely in Ubuntu, fire up your package management tool or type a quick command in the terminal, and *poof*--it's gone.
-Don't want Safari on Mac? I'm not a Mac user, but I hear it's completely possible to remove Safari from a stock Mac OS X install, leaving only webkit (which is a dependency for other programs).


Meanwhile, Windows is a monopoly in the OS market, and Microsoft is *illegally* leveraging that monopoly to sustain its monopoly in the web browsing market. How did they get their monopoly in web browsers in the first place? By--once again--leveraging their OS monopoly. Meanwhile, good luck successfully uninstalling IE from your Windows machine... you're gonna need it. Oh, and deleting shortcuts is *not* the same as removing/uninstalling the program. It does nothing more than *hide* it, leaving all insecurities intact.

Something should have been done to them before they got this far using illegal tactics, years ago. Look at all the damage they've done in the process. They deserve what's coming to them after the hell they caused out of pure greed.

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RE[2]: Again?
by Brendan on Sun 18th Jan 2009 08:55 in reply to "RE: Again?"
Brendan Member since:
2005-11-16

Hi,

Meanwhile, Windows is a monopoly in the OS market, and Microsoft is *illegally* leveraging that monopoly to sustain its monopoly in the web browsing market.


It's worse than that. They use a monopoly in the OS market to create a monopoly in the web browser market, then use the monopoly in the web browser market to try to create a monopolies in other markets and to "embrace and extend" common networking protocols in order to lock competitors out.

For an example, here's an interesting article about web servers: http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/1999/11/16/microsoft_servers/prin...

-Brendan

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RE: Again?
by Lennie on Sun 18th Jan 2009 00:39 in reply to "Again?"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

This isn't just about bundeling, it's about marketshare, bundeling and especially standards.

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RE: Again?
by Quake on Sun 18th Jan 2009 00:43 in reply to "Again?"
Quake Member since:
2005-10-14

The thing is... I want to remove IE completely from my system instead of just removing the icons.

Until Microsoft lets me do that, I say sue them.

And oh, you talked about firefox being already installed in Ubuntu. It may be the case but they are not a monopoly, plus you can easily remove it from the system.

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RE: Again?
by melkor on Sun 18th Jan 2009 21:30 in reply to "Again?"
melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

Yeah, I know what you mean. Why didn't the EU bring this up at the last BS? I mean, it's not like IE has changed in the way that it's deployed. Oh, and they better start taking action against Apple and Ubuntu too, for the very reasons that you've stated.

One thing I've learnt is that osnews and the crowd that hangs out here is pro Linux, pro BSD, semi warm to Apple, and hates Microsoft with a passion. Don't expect any kindness from them, expect them to be ranting and raving as usual.

Dave

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RE[2]: Again?
by gustl on Mon 19th Jan 2009 11:36 in reply to "RE: Again?"
gustl Member since:
2006-01-19

And you can count on Microsoft apologists to try to find arguments why Microsoft's competitors should be treated the same as Microsoft regarding business practices.

They just want to negate the huge difference in allowed behavior between a company with monopoly powers, and businesses without monopoly power.

Regarding Microsofts business practices, I guess there is no way to like them, unless you somehow profit from those practices yourselves.

I do not like Apples business practices either, but they do not concern me the way Microsoft's do.
Apple does not have a 90% marketshare in the office software market, where they can dictate the next office file formats.

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