Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 19th Jan 2009 20:57 UTC
Opera Software Last week, news got out that Microsoft had been charged with breaking competition laws by the European Commission. The EU stated that Microsoft has broken competition laws because it bundles its Internet Explorer browser with Windows, which gives the browser an unfair advantage over competing browsers such as Firefox and Opera. OSNews readers debated this topic lively, and it seems we can use this story to continue the discussion: Opera Software's CEO Jon von Tetzchner joined in on the fun.
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RE: BS
by steampoweredlawn on Mon 19th Jan 2009 22:59 UTC in reply to "BS"
steampoweredlawn
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2006-09-27

I would agree with you if IE were completely removable and replaceable. That it is not is more the issue than the fact that it's bundled.

Browsers like Firefox/Iceweasel, Chromium, Safari, Opera, Konqueror and others are all stand-alone products upon which the OS and/or desktop environment has no dependance. Internet Explorer is difficult to remove, and several Windows components and other applications rely on it being there. You cannot remove IE without causing massive headaches. Even in KDE you can remove Konqueror and replace it with Dolphin and Firefox with minimal trouble should you wish.

Unchecking IE in add/remove programs does not actually uninstall the program, it simply hides the icons. If you "uninstall" IE then go to start -> run -> iexplore www.google.com, you'll get Google in IE.

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RE[2]: BS
by rajan r on Tue 20th Jan 2009 10:49 in reply to "RE: BS"
rajan r Member since:
2005-07-27

Unless you love dependency hell, you can't remove KHTML on KDE. Or Webkit on Mac OS X. Windows already allows you to hide Internet Explorer, which to end users, that's practically the same thing to the vast majority of end users.

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RE[3]: BS
by lemur2 on Tue 20th Jan 2009 12:25 in reply to "RE[2]: BS"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Unless you love dependency hell, you can't remove KHTML on KDE. Or Webkit on Mac OS X. Windows already allows you to hide Internet Explorer, which to end users, that's practically the same thing to the vast majority of end users.


Qt4 itself now contains a version of webkit (for desktop internal uses, this is not a web browser).

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/12/trolltech_webkit/

I believe that this now means that Konqueror is easily removable from KDE4. Like so:

$ sudo apt-get remove konqueror
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
konqueror konqueror-plugin-searchbar kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
After this operation, 4284kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
Abort.
$


PS: On Kubuntu, doing this for real on a freshly-installed system would leave that system without a web browser.

To subsequently obtain web browser functionality back again, one could enter any of the following commands:

sudo apt-get install firefox
sudo apt-get install konqueror
sudo apt-get install epiphany-browser
sudo apt-get install dillo
sudo apt-get install seamonkey-browser
sudo apt-get install chimera2
sudo apt-get install galeon
sudo apt-get install links2
sudo apt-get install epiphany-gecko
sudo apt-get install kazehakse-webkit

Edited 2009-01-20 12:44 UTC

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