Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Feb 2009 20:55 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
Legal The legal case between Apple and Psystar has just taken another, very small turn. Psystar gained a small victory over Apple today, because U.S. District Court Judge William Alsup allowed Psystar to modify its counter-suit against Apple, after he had dismissed the original counter-suit. However, something more interesting came out of this ruling: the judge hinted at what would happen if Psystar were to win.
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RE[2]: welcome the clones!
by segedunum on Mon 9th Feb 2009 23:13 UTC in reply to "RE: welcome the clones!"
segedunum
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2005-07-06

The concern that Apple fans have is that companies like Psystar will produce marginally compatible systems or produce systems which are less well-engineered and tested than Apple's products.

I have news for you. Apple's computers are cheap, standard Intel machines with bog standard PC parts of questionable quality (you always get the lowest spec Western Digital hard drive Apple can provide) in order for Apple to sell the machines at a premium and make a nice profit - for nothing very much.

Those margins on the hardware can only be kept in place if gullible people like you keep thinking that Apple machines are of a higher quality than a standard PC, so shhhhhhhhhhh.

Nor do I believe that the average consumer is intelligent enough to recognize or buy quality.

You're right. They're not. ;-)

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RE[3]: welcome the clones!
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 9th Feb 2009 23:19 in reply to "RE[2]: welcome the clones!"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You're right. They're not. ;-)


I may find you an annoying twat every now and then, segedunum, but paint me red and call me a front bezel because that was one hell of a memorable comment ;) .

Head. Hit. Nail.

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RE[4]: welcome the clones!
by adkilla on Tue 10th Feb 2009 07:40 in reply to "RE[3]: welcome the clones!"
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2005-07-07

Hey, kids read this site. Keep profanity out!

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RE[3]: welcome the clones!
by dagw on Tue 10th Feb 2009 11:32 in reply to "RE[2]: welcome the clones!"
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2005-07-06

I have news for you. Apple's computers are cheap, standard Intel machines with bog standard PC parts of questionable quality (you always get the lowest spec Western Digital hard drive Apple can provide)

While all that may be true, the fact still remains that it is a small known set of hardware they're dealing with. This means that they can basically test the latest OS X on every single machine that the latest OS X is capable of running on. This is hugely beneficial irregardless of actual hardware quality.

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RE[4]: welcome the clones!
by steogede2 on Tue 10th Feb 2009 14:48 in reply to "RE[3]: welcome the clones!"
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2007-08-17

While all that may be true, the fact still remains that it is a small known set of hardware they're dealing with. This means that they can basically test the latest OS X on every single machine that the latest OS X is capable of running on. This is hugely beneficial irregardless of actual hardware quality.


Yes and there is nothing stopping Apple from continuing to do that. Likewise there is nothing stopping people from buying their Macs from Apple - many people continued to buy IBM PCs when they could have chosen to buy an IBM compatible PC.

If Apple were to sell an OEM version of OS X, it would be in the same position as Microsoft - I.E. any incompatibilities would be the responsibility of the OEM. An Apple compatible Mac from Psystar, would only be guaranteed to work with the installed (and possibly earlier) versions of OS X. If a Psystar doesn't work with Snow Leopard, then it is no different than the same machine not working with Windows 7.

It is a little ironic that Apple are complaining about Mac 'clones', when all the current Macs are IBM/PC compatibles.

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RE[3]: welcome the clones!
by cutterjohn on Fri 13th Feb 2009 11:24 in reply to "RE[2]: welcome the clones!"
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2006-01-28

Yep, that was my problem with Apple once they moved to x86, although to be somewhat fair they DO have to perform some extra work since they use EFI.

OTOH the cheap macbook is really about a $600 machine selling at twice that, and lets not even talk about the incredibly overpriced pro model which is generic PC terms would get you a Clevo D901C(or ASUS W90) w/better CPU and GPU with a chasiss capable of supporting multiple hdds and SLI GPUs.

The cheap macbook price gets you about a P8600 + ATI 4850 512MB GDDR3(MSI GT725) or nVidia 9800M GS 1GB GDDR3 (MSI GT627/ASUS G50VT/etc.) + 4GB DDR2-800 + full keyboard + 1680x1050 LCD panel + 320GB 7200RPM hdd + etc.

I really gave up when I got tired of all the lies about games coming to the Mac, paying full original price for games that were on Windows 2y or more ago and are now found commonloy in the bargain bin for $5. So in the end, I was maintaining extra Windows machines PLUS all of my macs, and just decided that the high cost of the Apple products wasn't justified by OSX.

Today I'm quite happy to be back spending MUCH less $$$ on hw and running linux + some version of Windows mostly for games.

The only possible plus for the Apple product is the Al frame, although a good chunk of the MSI nbs are Al while the others are all some sort of plastic AFAIK. (D901C and W90 are out of my budgeting for nbs...)

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