Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 15:51 UTC, submitted by William Lahti
Linux The first snapshot release of Komodo, a next-generation Linux/.NET-based operating system, is now available. "A new desktop environment codenamed Dagon is now being developed with [D-Bus, Composite, Linux 2.6] to bring a new face of Linux to users. The environment is being developed around the Emotion graphics/UI toolkit to best make use of these new display and communication technologies as well as to provide a solid and useable interface for casual users." Get the latest snapshots from their FTP servers. Read more information for developers, users and enterprise users.
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nice, but... why?
by evert on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 17:54 UTC
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2005-07-06

It looks great, nice, cool, and so on, but why don't they join the KDE or Gnome development instead of creating even more confusion?

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RE: nice, but... why?
by on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 18:29 in reply to "nice, but... why?"
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It looks great, nice, cool, and so on, but why don't they join the KDE or Gnome development instead of creating even more confusion?

Well, there's the irony. People want choice and open source, but people (some) want widespread adoption of LoTD.

Why would these guy join Gnome or KDE. So they can have RedHat or Suse as a boss?

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RE[2]: nice, but... why?
by BigZaphod on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 18:41 in reply to "RE: nice, but... why?"
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2005-07-06

Sorry if this seems slightly off topic, but it took several quick Google searches to find via Google that "LoTD" in this context meant "Linux on the desktop." So I thought I'd share that in case anyone else was confused. I was thinking... "Lord of the dance? Link of the Day? Hmm.. how does that apply?" :-)

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RE[2]: nice, but... why?
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 19:05 in reply to "nice, but... why?"
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It looks great, nice, cool, and so on, but why don't they join the KDE or Gnome development instead of creating even more confusion?

Because contrary to popular belief, you can't just barge in into GNOME or KDE and start coding with the big KDE/GNOME guys. That's not how it works (sadly one one side, thankfully on the other).

Other than that, it might simply be that they don't agree with KDE's "More is more" or GNOME's "Less is more" design philosphies.

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RE[3]: nice, but... why?
by on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 19:29 in reply to "RE[2]: nice, but... why?"
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Because contrary to popular belief, you can't just barge in into GNOME or KDE and start coding with the big KDE/GNOME guys. That's not how it works (sadly one one side, thankfully on the other).

Yeah, and I said previously now they're defacto working for RedHat and Suse....but without the pay. But at least these guys are doing something pretty different.

I have a feeling the performance isn't going to be great -especially on low-end machines because of Cairo.

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RE[3]: nice, but... why?
by Roguelazer on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 21:37 in reply to "RE[2]: nice, but... why?"
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>> Other than that, it might simply be that they don't
>> agree with KDE's "More is more" or GNOME's "Less is
>> more" design philosphies.


So therefore they're proponents of the "Less is less" design philosophy? Nihilism and Realism combined as a software design philosophy? Sounds cool, but I think for all of my "futuristic, Über-advanced DE" needs, I'll stick to E17. At least the enlightenment website doesn't time out. :-)

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RE[3]: nice, but... why?
by fury on Fri 23rd Sep 2005 16:26 in reply to "RE[2]: nice, but... why?"
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2005-09-23

Indeed! Why hasn't anyone thought of a "Less is more until the user hints at more" philosophy, or, indeed templateable UI can produce both philosophies with one code base. I'm not saying those two ideas are concrete for Komodo, but where are the people who TRY that stuff instead of just trying to be A. More like OSX and B. More like Windows. That's the fundamental two ways that Gnome and KDE (respectively) are developing their software. I can't agree with either, because even though OSX is a wonderful OS, it is not without it's flaws.

Instead, our philosophy is more "study your predecessors" and "investigate new ways to improve upon your predecessors". Our system directory layout is partially based on OSX's, but our APIs look closer to BeOS, and we use C# and .NET from Microsoft. On top of that we think of our own ideas above this "sweet blend" of ideas working together.

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RE: nice, but... why?
by fury on Fri 23rd Sep 2005 15:42 in reply to "nice, but... why?"
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2005-09-23

There is no confusion, because we don't consider ourselves a Linux distribution. When you install a Linux distribution, you expect KDE, GNOME, XFCE, E17 whatever. Our operating system is completely seperate from those entities except in the context of interoperability.

Now, why? Because I don't feel KDE and GNOME provide the best level of usability, good design, good visuals, etc and their code is just way too complex. When it takes me three hours to download the KDE source code, three more hours for building, and another twenty minutes to install, something is WRONG. This isn't just KDE, GNOME does it too. The need for something like Garnome is evidence that the system needs to be trimmed down.

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