Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 10th Mar 2009 23:17 UTC
Linux Yes, it's apparently another netbook today on OSNews. Netbooks were supposed to become the major foot in the door, but as soon as Microsoft got off its fat bum and started offering Windows XP to netbook OEMs, the popularity among OEMs of Linux has dwindled; when the netbook surge started, Linux was the operating system of choice among OEMs, but now, the Windows version comes first, and the Linux version later - if at all. Linux Foundation executive director Jim Zemlin basically tells OEMs: "Yer doing it wrong".
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RE: Another way they messed up...
by seratne on Tue 10th Mar 2009 23:55 UTC in reply to "Another way they messed up..."
seratne
Member since:
2005-07-06

You think anyone besides the linux geek even cares what package manager or distro is preinstalled on their new netbook. No.

The real problem is that no real person has ever heard of ubuntu, xandros, opensuse, redhat or any other linux distro. They might have heard of "linux" before. But probably by one of their geek friends.

The fragmentation / forking of linux is what prevents it from ever making it anywhere near capable of being a desktop os.

The only possible way for linux to thrive on the desktop is if the entire community unanimously decides on one major distro to be the de facto OS (the target OS).

Choice is not good. For instance there are 10 people on one side using 5 different things, or there are 1000 people on the other using one thing. Mob mentality is going to push people over to the side with 1000.

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Agreed, though I didn't want this to turn into yet another standardization vs choice debate. Those never go anywhere. I just feel this is another way they screwed up, I wasn't speaking of Linux on the desktop in general for the average user--if I did, I'd be writing all day. The average user doesn't care what distro or package manager they have, but they do care that they either can find information on how to perform a task if they're so inclined or, as is the case with most people, know someone who will support it for them. Even with Linux, the versions that netbook OEMs picked are under the radar and not well supported.
You're never going to have one distribution, that's just the nature of foss development, as much as you or I might wish it were otherwise. Anyone can do what they wish with it, and they will do so because they can.

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DigitalAxis Member since:
2005-08-28

The other important factor in standardizing on one version is that that one version has to be GOOD.

Linpus Lite is (I have never used it) apparently not that good. OpenSUSE, Fedora, and Ubuntu are all apparently very good.

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big_gie Member since:
2006-01-04

You think anyone besides the linux geek even cares what package manager or distro is preinstalled on their new netbook. No.

Thats not the point. The point is: default linux distros on these machines is ugly at best, mal functioning at worst. I bought an EeePC 10" and I love the machine. But because of the small screen, you need something optimized for it. Even if its not powerful, compiz runs great on it and is a great addition: just the zoom out is worth it. Or the network manager was a pain. My father bought a 701, and it was a pain to connect to the wireless wep: you had to create a profile first knowing the ssid and wep key. You couldn't just scan and select. Why re-invent the wheel when there is plenty of already existing, high quality network manager?
Another example is firefox. It is included most of the time in netbooks. But firefox wastes a lot of screen estate. Why not reduce the size of menus, etc. by default?
The users' experience would have been better, and the work done by the builder would have been less. It just makes me think of proprietary application development: the wheel always need to be re-invented, with a crappy implementation.

The real problem is that no real person has ever heard of ubuntu, xandros, opensuse, redhat or any other linux distro. They might have heard of "linux" before. But probably by one of their geek friends.

The fragmentation / forking of linux is what prevents it from ever making it anywhere near capable of being a desktop os.

The only possible way for linux to thrive on the desktop is if the entire community unanimously decides on one major distro to be the de facto OS (the target OS).

Choice is not good. For instance there are 10 people on one side using 5 different things, or there are 1000 people on the other using one thing. Mob mentality is going to push people over to the side with 1000.

I highly disagree. Does the fact that there exist many cell phone companies each constructing many different models prevent cell phone adoption? There is a different interface on each of these phones, but the users are able to catch quite fast how a cell phone works.

Distros are not that different: they are after all just a group of different programs packed together over a linux kernel.

A machine running linux is more then a distro choice. If it runs linux, it means you have choice and full control over it. You can use the default which is fine, but you can put whatever you want instead. As somebody else said, many, if not half of users installed another distro. We all have our prefered one ;)

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orfanum Member since:
2006-06-02

Sorry to weigh in but cannot resist - it looks very much as though you have pushed yourself off the side being just a voice of one.

Demos is not the same as 'the mob'.

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