Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Mar 2009 11:48 UTC, submitted by PLan
In the News In a move that would certainly shake up the computer industry quite a bit, IBM is reportedly in talks with Sun Microsystems about the possibility of IBM acquiring Sun. Sun is going through hard times at the moment, and has been actively looking for someone to be acquired by.
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RE: Solaris is dead.
by google_ninja on Wed 18th Mar 2009 18:57 UTC in reply to "Solaris is dead. "
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How is linux more flexible? I am curious what you have to back up that statement.

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RE[2]: Solaris is dead.
by Windows Sucks on Wed 18th Mar 2009 19:49 in reply to "RE: Solaris is dead. "
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What makes the Linux kernel flexible is how easy it is to port it. As you know its been ported to almost every hardware configuration you can think of. From Phones, to set top boxes to PC's to Super Computers.

Solaris has been ported to what? X86 sparc and maybe one or two other platforms.

Yes Open Solaris has a much bigger HAL then Solaris proper, Linux can be ported quickly to almost anything you throw at it.

The other flexibility is that no one company controls it so there are no restraints to what you can do to it. So for the customer or random developer you can do whatever you want with it. It doesn't fall under some restrictive Sun (IBM) license. Notice that there are tons of versions of linux and even the linux kernel. When open solaris was first talked about people acted like Slow Laris was so much better then Linux and when it went open source that would be the death of Linux. LOL! Not.

No one serious has given Open Solaris a good look. Meaning that hosting companies still push Linux, companies that sell virtual servers still push Linux, companies doing cloud computing still push Linux.

Open Solaris has not taken off and Solaris proper is dieing.

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RE[3]: Solaris is dead.
by kaiwai on Wed 18th Mar 2009 20:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Solaris is dead. "
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2005-07-06

What makes the Linux kernel flexible is how easy it is to port it. As you know its been ported to almost every hardware configuration you can think of. From Phones, to set top boxes to PC's to Super Computers.

Solaris has been ported to what? X86 sparc and maybe one or two other platforms.


What has that go to to do with the price of fish? The problem with Solaris isn't the lack of technology, it is the lack of leadership within Sun to bring all the products together in a cohensive offering to customers so that a solution can work out of the box rather than having to spend thousands on assembling the individual componens oneself.

There is a reason why Windows has made a jump in marketshare on the server - people want turnkey solutions and Sun is still stuck in the day when the likes of SCO were charging extra on their products for the TCP/IP stack, UFS support and individual components. Customers don't want that, they want an out of the box turn key solution.

Yes Open Solaris has a much bigger HAL then Solaris proper, Linux can be ported quickly to almost anything you throw at it.


Who uses HAL? neither Linux nor OpenSolaris uses HAL; OpenSolaris have good separation between platform specific code and agnostic code but you could hardly qualify a smart programming decision as equating to the implementation and use of a HAL akin to that of Windows NT line.

The other flexibility is that no one company controls it so there are no restraints to what you can do to it. So for the customer or random developer you can do whatever you want with it. It doesn't fall under some restrictive Sun (IBM) license. Notice that there are tons of versions of linux and even the linux kernel. When open solaris was first talked about people acted like Slow Laris was so much better then Linux and when it went open source that would be the death of Linux. LOL! Not.

No one serious has given Open Solaris a good look. Meaning that hosting companies still push Linux, companies that sell virtual servers still push Linux, companies doing cloud computing still push Linux.

Open Solaris has not taken off and Solaris proper is dieing.


Just because something is popular or well marketed doesn't mean that the product is inherently superior.

I wish people would spend a bit of time to ask themselves why Linux originally took off in the first place - based on its early beginnings 12 years ago instead of listening to rabid fanboys like yourself who jumped on the Linux bandwagon in the last 3-4 years. If you understand why Linux took off then you'd realise why dimissing OpenSolaris or any other opensource alternative is a stupid precept at best.

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RE[3]: Solaris is dead.
by google_ninja on Wed 18th Mar 2009 20:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Solaris is dead. "
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2006-02-05

You are right that noone really cares about solaris outside of high end servers, but I don't think sun is crying over it. Whether or not Solaris runs on iPods is completely irrelevant to how well it runs on the high end servers it was designed for.

I do get where you are coming from, but I think it is an odd point to bring up. The best operating systems (imho) are the ones that focus on a single task and do it very well, not the ones that do everything in an average way.

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RE[2]: Solaris is dead.
by sbergman27 on Wed 18th Mar 2009 19:56 in reply to "RE: Solaris is dead. "
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How is linux more flexible? I am curious what you have to back up that statement.

Well, I'd say that Linux has been demonstrated to be useful on a much broader range of different hardware than Solaris. IBM even put it on a writwatch, and uses it regularly on their mainframes. And pretty much everywhere in between where AIX's tight integration with the hardware doesn't make more sense. (AIX doesn't compete with Linux or Solaris as much as some might think.) Much of the reason that IBM was attracted to Linux was to unify their lines of servers. It depends upon the situation, of course. But I'd say that overall there's a pretty good basis for saying that Linux is more flexible today, in 2009. Especially at IBM.

And unlike Sun, they really have no reason to do an about face and push Solaris, except with Sun's existing Solaris customers. Likely, OpenSolaris would be truly opened up (as oposed to the "sort of open" joint copyright situation we see now) and it, and its community, will either float or sink based upon what that community is able to accomplish.

This purchase, if it actually occurs, could actually clean up the landscape a bit. I like the idea.

Edited 2009-03-18 19:58 UTC

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RE[3]: Solaris is dead.
by google_ninja on Wed 18th Mar 2009 21:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Solaris is dead. "
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IBM and Sun have very different business models.

Sun builds platforms that integrate into (and perform well on) their hardware as a way to sell their hardware. They couldn't care less about solaris running on generic hardware other then the community building effect it has. If there are more people making the solaris experience better, the solaris experience may translate into SPARC sales down the line.

IBM transitioned a few years back from that same sort of thing into an "eSolutions" company. Their bread and butter is in consulting now, rather then selling hardware. Because of that it doesn't make sense to pour resources into developing and supporting an operating system when can contribute less resources to get an existing operating system to do what they want it to. It was a very clever move, I have a friend who works there who says it was a very big gamble that ended up paying off, but that it could have been the end of Big Blue.

I think that IBM is more interested in finally having control over the Java brand then anything to do with Solaris. What I don't like about that is that IBM is even more of a fan of big corporate standards consortiums that produce impractical specs very slowly, and that is the last thing Java needs more of.

I agree with what you were saying about opening solaris and that being a good thing for everyone else though.

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