Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 2nd Apr 2009 16:12 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Gnome Only a few days ago, we ran an article on the future of KDE and GNOME, and which of the two had the brighter future based on their developmental processes. Barely has that discussion ended, or the GNOME engineering team comes with a pretty daunting plan to introduce a fairly massive reworking of the GNOME interface for GNOME 3.0 (2.30). Read on for the details.
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cmost
Member since:
2006-07-16

Let's hope that GNOME 3 will not repeat the KDE 4 disaster. KDE 4 was announced with colored bells and whistles as the breakthrough desktop environment and even a Windows version should be released (there was a pre-alpha Windows port of KDE two years ago). Today, despite its 2 major releases KDE 4.2 is still a mess and unusable. I have used and loved KDE 3.x for five years but now I have switched to GNOME and will not come back because every major Linux distribution uses GNOME as default DE.


Stop being so dramatic. I would hardly term KDE 4.2 "a mess" or "unusable." In fact, KDE 4.2 is the first version of KDE 4.x that IS usable and ready for the masses. Obviously the Debian developers think so as KDE 4.2 is moving from Experimental to Testing this week. I'm sorry you seem to be having trouble with KDE 4.2. Have you considered that it might be operator error?

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I would hardly term KDE 4.2 "a mess" or "unusable."

Some of us might respecfully disagree.
Obviously the Debian developers think so as KDE 4.2 is moving from Experimental to Testing this week.

It's completely skipping the "unstable" branch?

Here is how Wikipedia describes the Debian repos:

"""
Software packages in development are either uploaded to the project distribution named unstable (also known as sid), or to the experimental repository. Software packages uploaded to unstable are normally versions stable enough to be released by the original upstream developer, but with the added Debian-specific packaging and other modifications introduced by Debian developers. These additions may be new and untested. Software not ready yet for the unstable distribution is typically placed in the experimental repository.
"""

So up to this week, Debian has considered KDE4 not to be stable enough to go into "Stable", "Testing", or even "Unstable". (The Debian "Experimental" branch is one that I only learned about due to the prolonged KDE4 fiasco.) But you think KDE4 has been ready for the masses since the release of 4.2? And I'm unclear why you think that inclusion in "Testing" is some vote of confidence. It is only a vote that they think they might consider it stable in a year and a half or so.

Edited 2009-04-02 21:06 UTC

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cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

As a long time Debian user, I do understand how the Debian repositories work thank you very much. I do apologize, however, as I did misspeak: KDE 4.2 is moving into Unstable this week. (http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2009/03/msg00157.html) Nevertheless, I stand by my opinion that KDE 4.2 is indeed ready for use by KDE 3.5.x die hards. Except maybe for those who are narrow minded and refuse to learn new ways of doing things. (See yourself in that description?) As for votes of confidence, why not take a look at the myriad of major distributions including KDE 4.2: Fedora, OpenSUSE, Mandriva, Kubuntu. By the way, I'm not a KDE fanboy; I use Parsix which uses Gnome as its desktop. I also point out that I've been using Gnome for several years. I am fascinated and excited about the progress of the KDE 4 branch and my experiences with it thus far are very good and usability has improved dramatically with this release. Of course this is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Same as you.

Edited 2009-04-02 23:20 UTC

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