Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 2nd Apr 2009 16:12 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Gnome Only a few days ago, we ran an article on the future of KDE and GNOME, and which of the two had the brighter future based on their developmental processes. Barely has that discussion ended, or the GNOME engineering team comes with a pretty daunting plan to introduce a fairly massive reworking of the GNOME interface for GNOME 3.0 (2.30). Read on for the details.
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sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

I would hardly term KDE 4.2 "a mess" or "unusable."

Some of us might respecfully disagree.
Obviously the Debian developers think so as KDE 4.2 is moving from Experimental to Testing this week.

It's completely skipping the "unstable" branch?

Here is how Wikipedia describes the Debian repos:

"""
Software packages in development are either uploaded to the project distribution named unstable (also known as sid), or to the experimental repository. Software packages uploaded to unstable are normally versions stable enough to be released by the original upstream developer, but with the added Debian-specific packaging and other modifications introduced by Debian developers. These additions may be new and untested. Software not ready yet for the unstable distribution is typically placed in the experimental repository.
"""

So up to this week, Debian has considered KDE4 not to be stable enough to go into "Stable", "Testing", or even "Unstable". (The Debian "Experimental" branch is one that I only learned about due to the prolonged KDE4 fiasco.) But you think KDE4 has been ready for the masses since the release of 4.2? And I'm unclear why you think that inclusion in "Testing" is some vote of confidence. It is only a vote that they think they might consider it stable in a year and a half or so.

Edited 2009-04-02 21:06 UTC

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cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

As a long time Debian user, I do understand how the Debian repositories work thank you very much. I do apologize, however, as I did misspeak: KDE 4.2 is moving into Unstable this week. (http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2009/03/msg00157.html) Nevertheless, I stand by my opinion that KDE 4.2 is indeed ready for use by KDE 3.5.x die hards. Except maybe for those who are narrow minded and refuse to learn new ways of doing things. (See yourself in that description?) As for votes of confidence, why not take a look at the myriad of major distributions including KDE 4.2: Fedora, OpenSUSE, Mandriva, Kubuntu. By the way, I'm not a KDE fanboy; I use Parsix which uses Gnome as its desktop. I also point out that I've been using Gnome for several years. I am fascinated and excited about the progress of the KDE 4 branch and my experiences with it thus far are very good and usability has improved dramatically with this release. Of course this is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Same as you.

Edited 2009-04-02 23:20 UTC

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I do apologize, however, as I did misspeak: KDE 4.2 is moving into Unstable this week.

OK. So Debian now considers KDE4, released to the world for a year and a quarter now, to be stable enough to go into their "Unstable" branch. Hooray for KDE4!

Nevertheless, I stand by my opinion that KDE 4.2 is indeed ready for use by KDE 3.5.x die hards.

Well, that's weird of you.

Except maybe for those who are narrow minded and refuse to learn new ways of doing things. (See yourself in that description?)

No.

As for votes of confidence, why not take a look at the myriad of major distributions including KDE 4.2: Fedora, OpenSUSE, Mandriva, Kubuntu.

Well, heading up your list with Fedora was probably not the best strategy. They'd use /dev/null as their default filesystem device if they thought it would be fun.

(See yourself in that description?)

Naw. Just practical.

I use Parsix which uses Gnome as its desktop.

Last time we talked about it you said you used Mint. I have not used Parsix. But I have been interested in it. Their python-based boot system seems pretty cool.

I am fascinated and excited about the progress of the KDE 4 branch and my experiences with it thus far are very good and usability has improved dramatically with this release.

I was too. But they can only cry wolf so many times without sacrificing credibility. The times I have hopefully tried KDE 4.x, after hearing that "this release is the real one" it has been crap.

Edited 2009-04-02 23:47 UTC

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