Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 17th Apr 2009 11:15 UTC, submitted by csynt
Legal Old World 1, New World 0. The four defendants in the landmark The Pirate Bay case, taking place in Sweden, have all been found guilty, and sentenced to one year in jail. They also received a hefty fine of USD 3.58 million to 17 American media companies, among which are Warner Bros. Entertainment, MGM Pictures, Columbia Pictures Industries, Twentieth Century Fox Film, Sony BMG, Universal, EMI, Blizzard Entertainment, Sierra Entertainment, and Activision. The defendants have already stated they will appeal the decision.
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Who bribes who?
by Haicube on Fri 17th Apr 2009 11:38 UTC
Haicube
Member since:
2005-08-06

This is indeed very interesting. If you rape a 15year old in Sweden you get in average 6 months jail. So conclusion: Building a search engine for Torrents is twice as bad as raping a child.

This is so sad... luckily Pirate Party exists!

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RE: Who bribes who?
by jack_perry on Fri 17th Apr 2009 13:44 in reply to "Who bribes who?"
jack_perry Member since:
2005-07-06

Rape or statutory rape? This may sound like an incredibly dumb question, but you have to understand that in most (all?) localities of the United States it is a crime for someone over 18 (or something in that area) to take a 15 year-old to bed. This is called statutory rape, even if it is consensual, whereas non-consensual intercourse is always simply "rape".

If a Swede would serve only 6 months for the latter, I see your point.

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RE[2]: Who bribes who?
by andy_js on Fri 17th Apr 2009 19:31 in reply to "RE: Who bribes who?"
andy_js Member since:
2008-02-29

Ye know too much.

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RE[2]: Who bribes who?
by ephracis on Fri 17th Apr 2009 21:16 in reply to "RE: Who bribes who?"
ephracis Member since:
2007-09-23

As far as I know (IANAL) you cannot be taken to court (here in Sweden) for having sex with a minor if he/she agreed on it.

Besides, I know people who have beaten their girlfriends and even confessed to it, without even a fine or a single night in jail. Though a friend of mine recently gave away a number to a drug dealer to someone who wanted to buy some, they recorded his call and now he is being prosecuted (my friend, not the dealer). Justice is a funny thing.

Well, at least we live in a free democracy where the people are in power. ;)

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RE[2]: Who bribes who?
by kelvin on Sun 19th Apr 2009 16:57 in reply to "RE: Who bribes who?"
kelvin Member since:
2005-07-06

Off-topic:

Statutory rape in Sweden has been a crime since 2005. If someone under the age of 15 has sex with someone three years older, then the older person can be convicted of statutory rape and be sentenced to 2-6 years. Whether the younger person has given consent or not is a moot point since people under the age of 15 are not legally able to give consent.

"Regular" rape carries a sentence of 2-6 years, and if the crime is violent in nature, the sentence is 4-10 years.

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RE: Who bribes who?
by J.R. on Fri 17th Apr 2009 15:25 in reply to "Who bribes who?"
J.R. Member since:
2007-07-25

This is indeed very interesting. If you rape a 15year old in Sweden you get in average 6 months jail. So conclusion: Building a search engine for Torrents is twice as bad as raping a child.


Except that the penalty for raping 10000000 of those 15 year girls would probably be a lot worse than the one year they got for contributing to pirating of 10000000 movies. Assuming that linking to pirated material is a crime, then that punishment is not really that bad.

Don't get me wrong...I don't think it should be a crime to only link to content, but I think your argument is BS.

Edited 2009-04-17 15:30 UTC

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RE[2]: Who bribes who?
by kaiwai on Fri 17th Apr 2009 19:51 in reply to "RE: Who bribes who?"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Except that the penalty for raping 10000000 of those 15 year girls would probably be a lot worse than the one year they got for contributing to pirating of 10000000 movies. Assuming that linking to pirated material is a crime, then that punishment is not really that bad.

Don't get me wrong...I don't think it should be a crime to only link to content, but I think your argument is BS.


And your argument is wrong because you're assuming that the victims are the movies. The victims in this case is if one we're going to use your argument are the media companies and not the movies themselves.

Regarding the 'pirating of 10000000 movies' - how can you compare piracy where nothing is objectively lost to rape where something objectively is stolen off the victim. The best way to describe piracy is this; lets assume your next door neighbour has a garden statue you like. You like it so much that you take a picture of it and go to a sculptor to get an exact duplicate of it made so you have a copy. Because you have copied the statue - has your neighbour objectively lost anything (apart from being able to boast having the only statue of that form in the street)?

This 'pirating of 10000000 movies' that media companies raise is nothing short of a ruse because it is based on the principle that every person who downloaded a movie were going to purchase a ticket to the theatre or purchase the DVD but due to piracy availability chose not to. I can tell you here and now that I have downloaded movies with no intention of ever actually going to see it - so if the pirated version wasn't there I still wouldn't have gone to see it.

Edited 2009-04-17 19:53 UTC

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RE[2]: Who bribes who?
by ephracis on Fri 17th Apr 2009 21:20 in reply to "RE: Who bribes who?"
ephracis Member since:
2007-09-23

The number of files included in the case was not even near that. Besides, this is a case against money, rape is a crime against a person. Please, there should be some difference. The worst thing that can happen with a crime against money is that someone gets broke. The worst thing that can happen with a crime against a person is death, or a lifetime in your fathers basement including him raping your kids, whichever is worst.

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